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That was just fearmongering, we have countless studies today that state obesity is linked to a higher overall mortality rate.

by bdibs 8y ago

SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
It's not. Even today, 67% of new cases of AIDs are among gay and bisexual men[1]. I don't argue that obesity isn't bad for you, but the issue is more complex, and I don't think it's right to stigmatize people for it. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html
- ivalm 8y ago
  It's not their sexuality that causes the risk, it is unsafe sexual practices and increased prevalence of disease in that subpopulation. Which is to said AIDs and homosexuality correlate but homosexuality doesn't cause AIDs. Obesity causes, not just correlates, a whole slew of morbidities.
  - SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
    So their practicing of unsafe sexual practices would have justified the ostracization?
    - ivalm 8y ago
      I think having negative attitudes towards unsafe sexual practices is fine. Having negative attitudes towards a sexual orientation that correlates with unsafe sexual practices is not fine. I think it is important to differentiate correlation and causation. If something causes morbidity, we should have negative attitudes towards it. If something correlates with morbidity, we need to tread carefully.
kbutler 8y ago
There was at least one scientific study, by authors who don't want it used to condemn homosexuality. Summary: Study at the height of the AIDS death rate found that homosexuality led to shortened lifespan. AIDS death rate has declined dramatically, but there has not been a followup study. Here's a politifact analysis: https://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2012/jun/07/bob-marshall/bob-marshall-says-homosexual-behavior-cuts-life-ex/ https://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2012/jun/07/b... More recently, a 2014 pro-LGBT study claimed to show a shortened lifespan, attributed to prejudice: https://www.medicaldaily.com/can-prejudice-kill-you-lesbian-gay-bisexual-life-expectancy-drops-12-years-anti-gay-communities https://www.medicaldaily.com/can-prejudice-kill-you-lesbian-... though this failed replication ("No effect found") https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027795361630627X https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027795361...

That was just fearmongering, we have countless studies today that state obesity is linked to a higher overall mortality rate.

by bdibs 8y ago

That was just fearmongering, we have countless studies today that state obesity is linked to a higher overall mortality rate.

SketchySeaBeast 8y ago

It's not. Even today, 67% of new cases of AIDs are among gay and bisexual men[1]. I don't argue that obesity isn't bad for you, but the issue is more complex, and I don't think it's right to stigmatize people for it. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html

ivalm 8y ago
It's not their sexuality that causes the risk, it is unsafe sexual practices and increased prevalence of disease in that subpopulation. Which is to said AIDs and homosexuality correlate but homosexuality doesn't cause AIDs. Obesity causes, not just correlates, a whole slew of morbidities.
- SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
  So their practicing of unsafe sexual practices would have justified the ostracization?
  - ivalm 8y ago
    I think having negative attitudes towards unsafe sexual practices is fine. Having negative attitudes towards a sexual orientation that correlates with unsafe sexual practices is not fine. I think it is important to differentiate correlation and causation. If something causes morbidity, we should have negative attitudes towards it. If something correlates with morbidity, we need to tread carefully.

kbutler 8y ago

There was at least one scientific study, by authors who don't want it used to condemn homosexuality. Summary: Study at the height of the AIDS death rate found that homosexuality led to shortened lifespan. AIDS death rate has declined dramatically, but there has not been a followup study. Here's a politifact analysis: https://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2012/jun/07/bob-marshall/bob-marshall-says-homosexual-behavior-cuts-life-ex/ https://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2012/jun/07/b... More recently, a 2014 pro-LGBT study claimed to show a shortened lifespan, attributed to prejudice: https://www.medicaldaily.com/can-prejudice-kill-you-lesbian-gay-bisexual-life-expectancy-drops-12-years-anti-gay-communities https://www.medicaldaily.com/can-prejudice-kill-you-lesbian-... though this failed replication ("No effect found") https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027795361630627X https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027795361...