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I am uncomfortable to put all personal thoughts, diaries, etc into a non-self-hosting place. Can they dockerize this and sell that so I can self-host the docke
by ausjke 8y ago
I am uncomfortable to put all personal thoughts, diaries, etc into a non-self-hosting place.
Can they dockerize this and sell that so I can self-host the docker image instead?
for people that is not tech-savvy, what about they buy a docker-container-hosted-by-the-vendor-company but can encrypt the contents in a way that nobody else can peek into the content ever?
- komali2 8y agoThat sounds like a good feature - I think the app is trying to replace current jira etc functionality for now, is that something that Jira and other offer?
- deusuxmachina 8y agojira offers task linking, which I don't think notion does.
- kjksf 8y agoJira is a bug tracker. Notion is a hierarchical note-taker/wiki with some additional features like simple databases, task lists etc. They are not the same kind of software. Also, you can link notion pages. They have a block element that is a link to another page and for inline links you can use the regular link (each notion page has its unique, stable url).
- dawnerd 8y agoNotion does but it's not well implemented. If you copy a link to a notion document and paste it in another it does create a link. Wish they made it a little more well defined though (I don't want to copy a link and paste it).
- wongarsu 8y agoJira has a self hosted version at very reasonable price ($10 one time for small teams with a single server up to $500k per year for high availability setups with >50k users). The same is true for all other Atlassian products. https://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/pricing?tab=self-managed https://www.atlassian.com/software/jira/pricing?tab=self-man...
- kjksf 8y agoThat $10 is a bait and switch price. The next tier is 25 users for $2500. So it went from $1 per user to $100 per user. JIRA is, by its nature, a multi-user software. The $10 for 10 users is clearly engineered to get small teams to commit to using it and then squeeze them when they grow. That is a reasonable strategy for what is a product for companies i.e. enterprise software. It wouldn't work for a product that is primarily for people who are paying from their own pocket, like, I assume, everyone here that expressed the want for a self-hosted version.
- wongarsu 8y agoIn a personal use case you more than likely stay below 10 users forever. If you are a company paying multiple employees 2500 should be easy to justify: that's 25 users at 10$/month for Jira Cloud would cost you 2500 in 10 months, with hosted Jira it's just a one time payment
- chpmrc 8y agoCouldn't help it. > For a Linux user, you can already build such a system yourself quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem. From Windows or Mac, this FTP account could be accessed through built-in software.
- notahacker 8y agotbf I think the "I don't want to entrust all my notes to a startup that might not be here next year" issue is more relevant to the average person than "but surely you could roll your own if you were a desktop Linux user". On the other hand, I agree normal users don't want software to stick in docker containers, they want a nice friendly GUI that also happens to backup copies of their data somewhere they might be able to access them with another programme if the company ends their incredible journey. One of the best things about Dropbox as an early adopter was knowning that if they died or got acquihired, you still had one or more local copies of everything you'd ever uploaded to them.
- ymolodtsov 8y agoNotion allows you to export your notes. Also, you can say that about any service, even one run by Google.
- notahacker 8y agoOh, I agree that even Google isn't immune to "sunsetting" useful products. But I'd still rate files on my Google Drive as being a lot more likely to be still usable in 5 years time than a service from someone with a few million dollars in Series A funding to get big or die trying.
- camerondoll 8y agoThey could sell a VPS with the app installed and only you would have access.
- owenwil 8y agoThere's a reason nobody really does this: there's just no money in it. Nylas mail is a good example of this: it offered the ability to self-run it and pay them for the license, but nobody really did. I wonder what they would need to charge to make it feasible? $1000 a year? It makes me pretty sad, but it's just such a distraction for a company of Notion's size and stage.
- dkarbayev 8y agoWell, then we should create open-source analog of notion. I actually was itching wondering what could I create in OSS realm. Probably will have a look at this task :)
- QML 8y agoThat seems to be pretty hard. I just finished a long search for an Open Source one-page markdown editor (no split windows for preview and editing): the closest I could find was an editor called MarkText but even that doesn’t have half the functionality of Notion or Dropbox Paper. It’s hard to compete with fully funded and devoted teams.
- andruby 8y agoI've been looking for something too. GetCanvas (now defunct but released as open source) was wonderful, but seems abandoned. stackedit.io has been the closest that I could find.
- justinclift 8y agoFurther down the page there's a mention of an OSS equivalent ("Outline"): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18906118 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18906118 Haven't tried it out personally (only support signing in from Slack/Google), but it might be your kind of thing. :)
- OJFord 8y agoTrilium is close - it's _more_ flexible, (arbitrary scripts/css) but less 'for free' out of the box.
- WalterSear 8y agoI'm developing an ipfs-based personal knowledge manager that works on similar principles.
- giodamelio 8y agoI have been contemplating making a similar thing for years now. Nothing I have used really has gotten me all the way. Is it going to be open source?
- WalterSear 8y agoI haven't figured out. My current plan is to open source the layer that allows users to access their own raw data, to ensure portability. Unfortunately, I'm not in a position to maintain the project if it doesn't bring in revenue.
- andruby 8y agoI've been looking for a Personal Knowledge Manager for a while (and been thinking about creating one). Feel free to message me if you're considering open sourcing or releasing it.
- WalterSear 8y agoI'll let you know when I make the initial public release.
- marviel 8y agoIf you don't mind, could you ping me as well? I'm looking for a similar solution
- WalterSear 8y agoDefinitely. I'm turning the last corners on the mvp, and very eager to put it in front of people. I very much want to talk about it, but it feels a little meaningless to do so until I've shipped it :)
- perenzo 8y agoWith https://collect-app.com https://collect-app.com I'm indeed trying to build such a tool that is not requiring any service and giving you back 100% of privacy and data control, right now. But it is in a very early state yet. But I would love to get some feedback on the idea.
- miles 8y agoAs of last May, you can apparently export all of your data: https://mobile.twitter.com/notionhq/status/996436200809316352?lang=en https://mobile.twitter.com/notionhq/status/99643620080931635... Just shipped: export your entire workspace with one-click.
- krzysztof 8y agoFor Diary/Journal use only: If you are mac/ios user i've created app which uses iCloud as backend, but you can export all entries to markdown. https://pureformstudio.com/diarly https://pureformstudio.com/diarly Think the reason for non-self-hosting is price really. One time purchase is.. well it's one time.
- n4s33r 8y agoLooks nice! would jump on this if it supported Android :)
- throwaway382 8y agoIt looks like they use FullStory, so employees can probably see everything you're doing. I'd be surprised if they were recording without ever watching the recordings. (FullStory records what you do in your browser. It records all DOM elements, so all your data is being recorded and sent to a 3rd party.)
- johnzimmerman 8y agoYou can opt out of Fullstory tracking here > https://www.fullstory.com/optout/ https://www.fullstory.com/optout/
- dawnerd 8y agoDoes that also opt you out of their apps too? Guessing all this does is set a cookie for that browser.
- nofunsir 8y agoIt sets the following: { "Domain": ".fullstory.com", "Name": "fs_optout", "Value": 1, "Path": "/", "Expires": null, "Store ID": "firefox-default", "First Party Domain": null, "Secure": false, "Session": true, "Http Only": false, "Host Only": false }
- jlgaddis 8y ago> "Session": true, As in: this cookie will stick around as long as your browser is running, but when you close it and start it up again it will be gone?
- dawnerd 8y agoMine has an expires set: 2046-05-31T19:47:10.000Z
- jen729w 8y agoIf it’s like Matomo’s opt-out system, that cookie is required – it’s the very thing that turns on the opt-out. When you opt-out of Matomo, the message warns that “if you clear your cookies, delete the opt-out cookie, or if you change computers or Web browsers, you will need to perform the opt-out procedure again”. Matomo also honours the browser’s DNT setting, which is a) nice and b) rare. https://matomo.org/docs/privacy/#step-4-respect-donottrack-preference https://matomo.org/docs/privacy/#step-4-respect-donottrack-p...
- lvs 8y agoI miss the days when you could buy a piece of software -- like, physically buy a license that allows you to use it in perpetuity on your own terms. Then, if you want to pay for some hosted features, it makes sense to have a subscription. But the default cloud subscription dependency business plan immediately turns me off to any product. I've got too many damn subscriptions, and I can't take on any more.
- VvR-Ox 8y agoI see the same problem with many products nowadays. There is a whole part of the economy following this and I wonder how so many users can cope with it. Examples: - Adobe (PS, ID, AI,...) all cloud + subscription model since CS6 is gone - Music (Spotify & Co) - Movies/Series (Netflix, Amazon,...) And there is many more not only focused on software products. That is why I pirate stuff first and then try to buy something that offers value to me (like vinyl from bands I like to hear) while supporting the real minds behind the work (I don't like companies just (ab)using their power for profit like amzn without delivering real value themselves).
- phponpcp 8y agoThat is like so not worth their time and energy