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Life gets in the way of scheduled work (on-call). The section you're quoting is about enabling on-call people to have lives without on-call constraints. It's e

by lwf 8y ago

Life gets in the way of scheduled work (on-call). The section you're quoting is about enabling on-call people to have lives without on-call constraints. It's encouraging people to be considerate and cover a colleague's shift if they want to go out and do something, and you're free.

uasm 8y ago
> "Life gets in the way of scheduled work (on-call)." Scheduling 24h work days will inevitably cause "life to get in the way of work". On-calls commonly take a week or two at a time. Stop de-legitimizing work-life seperation.
- lwf 8y ago
  You're reading way more into both the PagerDuty guide and my comments than was intended. Work-life balance is great. Personally, I don't feel like I need to respond to queries on nights or weekends, take plenty of vacation, and feel empowered to push back at anybody going out of those bounds. Then again, I also work at a company where your colleagues will yell at you if you show up on work chat when you're supposed to be on PTO :) That said, if you're on an on-call shift, and something comes up, that's "life getting in the way". And that's fine. I have separate issues, personally, with how many companies compensate employees for on-call work. But it is an on-call shift, a concept that exists in basically every industry where you're providing a timely service. (plumbers, airline pilots, systems administration...) Unless you're large enough to implement follow-the-sun, you're going to need someone to cover the evenings.
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sbov 8y ago
Sure. But scheduling someone for 168 hours in a week means life will get in the way. The way its being phrased though makes it sound like its a privilege rather than a basic fact of life. Put another way: recognizing this gets you about as many brownie points as recognizing that eating and shitting gets in the way of your average work day. So zero. It's basic logic and human function.

by lwf 8y ago

uasm 8y ago

> "Life gets in the way of scheduled work (on-call)." Scheduling 24h work days will inevitably cause "life to get in the way of work". On-calls commonly take a week or two at a time. Stop de-legitimizing work-life seperation.

lwf 8y ago
You're reading way more into both the PagerDuty guide and my comments than was intended. Work-life balance is great. Personally, I don't feel like I need to respond to queries on nights or weekends, take plenty of vacation, and feel empowered to push back at anybody going out of those bounds. Then again, I also work at a company where your colleagues will yell at you if you show up on work chat when you're supposed to be on PTO :) That said, if you're on an on-call shift, and something comes up, that's "life getting in the way". And that's fine. I have separate issues, personally, with how many companies compensate employees for on-call work. But it is an on-call shift, a concept that exists in basically every industry where you're providing a timely service. (plumbers, airline pilots, systems administration...) Unless you're large enough to implement follow-the-sun, you're going to need someone to cover the evenings.
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sbov 8y ago

Sure. But scheduling someone for 168 hours in a week means life will get in the way. The way its being phrased though makes it sound like its a privilege rather than a basic fact of life. Put another way: recognizing this gets you about as many brownie points as recognizing that eating and shitting gets in the way of your average work day. So zero. It's basic logic and human function.