> Properly governments operate by the consent of those they govern. Don't gangs operate by the consent of their members? > Gangs rule territory and the people

> Properly governments operate by the consent of those they govern. Don't gangs operate by the consent of their members? > Gangs rule territory and the people within it almost strictly by violence Is this not the case in real world governments? After all they use the police to enforce their rule via violence. > by the constant arbitrary application of violence to keep people terrified Isn't this already the case in the judicial system? Sure, it is not as arbitrary as street gangs but certain people will receive bigger sentences than they deserve to set an example, or you have people like Ross Ulbricht that were sentenced for things that were not convinced for. > peaceful consent - representative government More like the dictatorship of the masses, where the people that do something that the majority does not like get punished. Though, it is true that this is not so similar to street gangs. > constitutional rights protections The constitution does not seem to matter that much in a lot of countries, including the US, as they tend to either introduce new clauses to the constitution or to create laws that contradict it. > Codes of honor that are strictly adhered to within the mafia or gangs is wholly a fantasy, a lie, cheap hollywood bullshit at odds with all of history Would you say the same about the yakuza for example as well? > objective application of rules of justice ... objective laws I can't really see anything objective about laws myself. To me both the command of the top of the gang and the laws are subjective. > where human rights protections should be the primary concern and are not up for arbitrarily being tossed out the window This seems to happen regularly even in the western nations. > When the next leadership of the governments of Australia or Sweden come into being, they aren't going to randomly decide to murder a lot of people to establish their dominance. Wasn't Germany was a democracy when that certain Austrian whose name we dare not to speak got to power?