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Just as an example, only chat/messenger apps on my Oneplus with saver enabled (default): - Skype - always killed - Slack - always killed - Whatsapp - sometim

by Yizahi 8y ago

Just as an example, only chat/messenger apps on my Oneplus with saver enabled (default): - Skype - always killed - Slack - always killed - Whatsapp - sometimes killed, rarely - Telegram - never killed - FB Messenger - never killed All these are fully featured apps with tons of different functionality. Telegram and FBM never ever trigger "this app is draining your battery" while Skype triggers it regularly when I sometimes start it on phone. I'm going to generalize and say that probably some apps are simple bad and need to be fixed instead of granting them exceptions and allowing to be battery hogs.

izacus 8y ago
Those apps are explicitly whitelisted by OnePlus. There's nothing to "fix" they're by the app developer, because the killing algorithm chooses based on app name, not app battery consumption. Facebook can kill your whole battery and you'll never get a warning.
- Yizahi 8y ago
  So you are saying that behind visible list of apps that are either "optimized" or excluded there is another hidden list where app that is "optimized" could be actually excluded? Ok, that can be a working hypothesis. Why is Skype not excluded the same way then? Or Slack? Millions use them and MS surely has money to promote their app this way. Why Whatsapp is not excluded? It's owned by FB.
  - me551ah 8y ago
    There used to be a hidden list. I was the head of android dev for flock , a team messenger and we had gotten in touch with OnePlus who added us to the whitelist. More details here : https://hackernoon.com/notifications-in-android-are-horribly-broken-b8dbec63f48a https://hackernoon.com/notifications-in-android-are-horribly... Though they were moving away from that model to a model where apps alive for more than a certain time interval in background were killed. So apps which you use the most heavily are more likely to be penalized.
    - Yizahi 8y ago
      Interesting information. I'm not doubting you here but want to clarify one thing, to understand. After you contacted Oneplus and were added to whitelist, do you still see that your app is showing as "optimized" in the settings but app behavior changed and it is no longer killed in background? And that same is applicable to other major software?
  - izacus 8y ago
    I don't know why it's not there, I'm not an exec in those companies. I know for sure that OnePlus, Huawei and Xiaomi have such whitelists. Other OEMs might have them as well. This isn't climate change debate, it's easy to check.

by Yizahi 8y ago

izacus 8y ago

Those apps are explicitly whitelisted by OnePlus. There's nothing to "fix" they're by the app developer, because the killing algorithm chooses based on app name, not app battery consumption. Facebook can kill your whole battery and you'll never get a warning.

Yizahi 8y ago
So you are saying that behind visible list of apps that are either "optimized" or excluded there is another hidden list where app that is "optimized" could be actually excluded? Ok, that can be a working hypothesis. Why is Skype not excluded the same way then? Or Slack? Millions use them and MS surely has money to promote their app this way. Why Whatsapp is not excluded? It's owned by FB.
- me551ah 8y ago
  There used to be a hidden list. I was the head of android dev for flock , a team messenger and we had gotten in touch with OnePlus who added us to the whitelist. More details here : https://hackernoon.com/notifications-in-android-are-horribly-broken-b8dbec63f48a https://hackernoon.com/notifications-in-android-are-horribly... Though they were moving away from that model to a model where apps alive for more than a certain time interval in background were killed. So apps which you use the most heavily are more likely to be penalized.
  - Yizahi 8y ago
    Interesting information. I'm not doubting you here but want to clarify one thing, to understand. After you contacted Oneplus and were added to whitelist, do you still see that your app is showing as "optimized" in the settings but app behavior changed and it is no longer killed in background? And that same is applicable to other major software?
- izacus 8y ago
  I don't know why it's not there, I'm not an exec in those companies. I know for sure that OnePlus, Huawei and Xiaomi have such whitelists. Other OEMs might have them as well. This isn't climate change debate, it's easy to check.