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You might want to redefine "freedom" for yourself. I personally struggle with this too, but I find it useful to remember; I can still go down the street, buy so

You might want to redefine "freedom" for yourself. I personally struggle with this too, but I find it useful to remember; I can still go down the street, buy something to eat, then go to town and see all that's around.

lettergram 8y ago
> I can still go down the street, buy something to eat, then go to town and see all that's around. So can any animal in a zoo... Freedom of self-determination is what I think most people define as "freedom". If I redefine freedom, I'd argue I should use a different word, as it wont convey the same meaning to others. When our world is manipulated around us to control what we know and to extent what we think, we are in a cage (at least most of "us" are).
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- over500pieces 8y ago
  I agree an animal in a zoo can do all those things, but an animal in the wild (usually a good example of being free) can do them, too, and to a much greater degree. I do not quite understand how the comparison works better for a caged animal as opposed to a free one. Draw a big enough fence, and everyone's always been in a cage? Agreed that our world is manipulated around us, but I think the manipulations are much less influential than (a) the difference in society between now vs 500 years ago (and vs where we will be in 100 years) and (b) what we choose to believe and want for ourselves by thinking critically. Still, I do wonder sometimes about the things we choose to believe vs what society convinces us to believe. How far off the mark am I?
  - nixpulvis 8y ago
    Not off the mark at all, at least as far as I see it. I'm probably more free than a person 500 years ago could ever imagine... I'm also more caged than they could know too. Times change, as do perspectives. Sorry I can't be more helpful.
- abledon 8y ago
  true freedom is terrifying, we like to bind ourselves to things, be it our relationships, hobbies or goals.

lettergram 8y ago

> I can still go down the street, buy something to eat, then go to town and see all that's around. So can any animal in a zoo... Freedom of self-determination is what I think most people define as "freedom". If I redefine freedom, I'd argue I should use a different word, as it wont convey the same meaning to others. When our world is manipulated around us to control what we know and to extent what we think, we are in a cage (at least most of "us" are).

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over500pieces 8y ago
I agree an animal in a zoo can do all those things, but an animal in the wild (usually a good example of being free) can do them, too, and to a much greater degree. I do not quite understand how the comparison works better for a caged animal as opposed to a free one. Draw a big enough fence, and everyone's always been in a cage? Agreed that our world is manipulated around us, but I think the manipulations are much less influential than (a) the difference in society between now vs 500 years ago (and vs where we will be in 100 years) and (b) what we choose to believe and want for ourselves by thinking critically. Still, I do wonder sometimes about the things we choose to believe vs what society convinces us to believe. How far off the mark am I?
- nixpulvis 8y ago
  Not off the mark at all, at least as far as I see it. I'm probably more free than a person 500 years ago could ever imagine... I'm also more caged than they could know too. Times change, as do perspectives. Sorry I can't be more helpful.
abledon 8y ago
true freedom is terrifying, we like to bind ourselves to things, be it our relationships, hobbies or goals.