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>As interesting as it all is, it's also very concerning for Law Enforcement. it seems better from their perspective than street gangs shooting each other over

>As interesting as it all is, it's also very concerning for Law Enforcement. it seems better from their perspective than street gangs shooting each other over turf imo. an improvement for everyone involved, frankly. >How do you make sure the product gets to your support layers? through dead drops, of course ;)

agumonkey 8y ago
if the darkweb resolves the drug on war issue .. that will be something
- taurath 8y ago
  Unlikely. It just decentralizes distribution and dealing - bulk darkweb drugs still end up in the hands of street resellers.
  - austhrow743 8y ago
    At the moment that's how it works. If it's true that things are moving in to telegram and other encrypted chat platforms then it could change. It makes it simple enough for the average person to do.
    - nyolfen 8y ago
      exactly, who on earth would prefer dealing with some street tough
    - mtgx 8y ago
      Telegram isn't anymore encrypted than Skype by default.
wpietri 8y ago
I'm not seeing why this would particularly reduce violence. Some gang violence isn't about drug sales, but the same sort of territorial control that nation-states like to fight over too. And for the violence that is about drug sales, I'm not seeing why that wouldn't continue. Dead drops are just as local as corners are, and there's just as much incentive to fight over business as there was previously.
- tyre 8y ago
  In the current system, you have to have dealers hanging out on the corners. To take territory, you shoot at the dealers and either kill them or scare them away. In this system, you have drops. How does a rival gang know where they are? They'd have to buy the product to discover the drop and drops shouldn't be used multiple times. They could watch a user find one, but then that drop wouldn't be used again so they couldn't stake out and wait for their rival to refill it.
  - wpietri 8y ago
    It's not clear to me how much gang violence is specifically driven by fights over corners, rather than other kinds of inter-gang fighting. But let's assume it's significant. I think it's very unlikely a drug business can get to scale without reusing drops; the cost of scouting a good drop is significant, and the number is finite. Regardless, the value of a drop declines the farther it is from customers and from the dealers who supply the drop. So in practice, gangs will still have an incentive to claim turf and to harm other dealers using drops on their turf. Even if that somehow doesn't happen, they'll still have the same strong competitive incentives. So they'll be very much inclined, as now, to discover rivals and take over their business through violence.
    - CryptoPunk 8y ago
      If gangs are claiming turf and excluding other dealers, then those aren't dead drops, which by definition are undetected drops by anonymous parties. It's an open question whether effective dead drops are even possible, but if they are, and come to be widely adopted for trade in contraband, then a significant portion of the source of territorial conflicts between criminal organizations vanishes.

agumonkey 8y ago

if the darkweb resolves the drug on war issue .. that will be something

taurath 8y ago
Unlikely. It just decentralizes distribution and dealing - bulk darkweb drugs still end up in the hands of street resellers.
- austhrow743 8y ago
  At the moment that's how it works. If it's true that things are moving in to telegram and other encrypted chat platforms then it could change. It makes it simple enough for the average person to do.
  - nyolfen 8y ago
    exactly, who on earth would prefer dealing with some street tough
  - mtgx 8y ago
    Telegram isn't anymore encrypted than Skype by default.

wpietri 8y ago

I'm not seeing why this would particularly reduce violence. Some gang violence isn't about drug sales, but the same sort of territorial control that nation-states like to fight over too. And for the violence that is about drug sales, I'm not seeing why that wouldn't continue. Dead drops are just as local as corners are, and there's just as much incentive to fight over business as there was previously.

tyre 8y ago
In the current system, you have to have dealers hanging out on the corners. To take territory, you shoot at the dealers and either kill them or scare them away. In this system, you have drops. How does a rival gang know where they are? They'd have to buy the product to discover the drop and drops shouldn't be used multiple times. They could watch a user find one, but then that drop wouldn't be used again so they couldn't stake out and wait for their rival to refill it.
- wpietri 8y ago
  It's not clear to me how much gang violence is specifically driven by fights over corners, rather than other kinds of inter-gang fighting. But let's assume it's significant. I think it's very unlikely a drug business can get to scale without reusing drops; the cost of scouting a good drop is significant, and the number is finite. Regardless, the value of a drop declines the farther it is from customers and from the dealers who supply the drop. So in practice, gangs will still have an incentive to claim turf and to harm other dealers using drops on their turf. Even if that somehow doesn't happen, they'll still have the same strong competitive incentives. So they'll be very much inclined, as now, to discover rivals and take over their business through violence.
  - CryptoPunk 8y ago
    If gangs are claiming turf and excluding other dealers, then those aren't dead drops, which by definition are undetected drops by anonymous parties. It's an open question whether effective dead drops are even possible, but if they are, and come to be widely adopted for trade in contraband, then a significant portion of the source of territorial conflicts between criminal organizations vanishes.