4 ms·

The irony... Trump closes govt because of national security concerns (border wall/terrorism)... TSA agents are pretty high on the list of jobs that protect us f

The irony... Trump closes govt because of national security concerns (border wall/terrorism)... TSA agents are pretty high on the list of jobs that protect us from terrorism, and I guarantee more important than a damn border wall.

marklyon 8y ago
> high on the list of jobs that protect us from terrorism I'm not certain your statement is accurate. The TSA has itself demonstrated, time and time again, that their accuracy and precision leave much to be desired. If anything, they've been lucky. Terrorism, thankfully, is quite rare. If anything, I hope the shutdown helps push airports and airlines to seek control of their infrastructure (and, with luck, this administration will help diminish the power of the executive branch in the future).
- gremlinsinc 8y ago
  Police officers stop criminals... they also have major issues with brutality/etc...and have a bad track record...something like 4000 people were shot by police last year... I wouldn't say we should get rid of police or that they don't provide a service because of those issues...just that they need to reform/change/fix those issues. Not sure, how they do that... My point is the TSA, while it often does some shitty/shady stuff in the name of 'security'... I don't think you could say they have never thwarted terrorist attacks, or that we as a nation could flourish without them at all. I don't really have statistics on TSA/etc... but I think making sure people don't have guns on planes is a bit more important than building a wall that can be scaled via ladder, or tunneled under. But it's just ironic to me that by not getting his wall, the TSA is now basically on strike.
RickJWagner 8y ago
Plenty of people see it as the Democrats in Congress who are holding things up. (After all, there is universal agreement that border security is important. Also, many prominent Democrats have pledged support for physical barriers in the recent past.) I tend to agree with Cher, which doesn't happen often. She says that Democrats can be seen as heroes if they compromise on the wall to re-open the government. (But if they do not do this, Cher believes the Democrats will ultimately suffer for the fallout.) Time may tell if she is right or not.
- krapp 8y ago
  >Plenty of people see it as the Democrats in Congress who are holding things up. Yes, we call those people Republicans.
  - RickJWagner 8y ago
    That's fair. Both sides usually blame each other. During the Obama administration, there was a government shutdown as well. Democrats blamed the Republican congress, Republicans blamed Obama and the Democrats. It really does (or should) take cooperation when things are as evenly distributed as they are. I only wish there were incentives for the politicians to work faster.
    - humantiy 8y ago
      I agree, but I'd take work together to find common ground first over work faster. I think in some respects when they work faster or in complete agreement we get things passed that are not in the best interest of the american people/values (Patriot act comes to mind).
  - forgottenpass 8y ago
    Any dissent from within gets the dissenter grouped with the opposition? The 116th congress is shaping up to be another round of Democrats snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
    - krapp 8y ago
      I do think it's a safe bet that anyone who blames the blue team for everything will tend to be from the red team, yes. That is, unfortunately, the way American politics works.
- gremlinsinc 8y ago
  Right... Trump's exact words: Yes, if we don't get what we want... I will shutdown the government. I am proud to shutdown the government for border security. I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I won't blame you for it. I will take the mantle. I will shut it down. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t7bYWM9zAw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t7bYWM9zAw

marklyon 8y ago

> high on the list of jobs that protect us from terrorism I'm not certain your statement is accurate. The TSA has itself demonstrated, time and time again, that their accuracy and precision leave much to be desired. If anything, they've been lucky. Terrorism, thankfully, is quite rare. If anything, I hope the shutdown helps push airports and airlines to seek control of their infrastructure (and, with luck, this administration will help diminish the power of the executive branch in the future).

gremlinsinc 8y ago
Police officers stop criminals... they also have major issues with brutality/etc...and have a bad track record...something like 4000 people were shot by police last year... I wouldn't say we should get rid of police or that they don't provide a service because of those issues...just that they need to reform/change/fix those issues. Not sure, how they do that... My point is the TSA, while it often does some shitty/shady stuff in the name of 'security'... I don't think you could say they have never thwarted terrorist attacks, or that we as a nation could flourish without them at all. I don't really have statistics on TSA/etc... but I think making sure people don't have guns on planes is a bit more important than building a wall that can be scaled via ladder, or tunneled under. But it's just ironic to me that by not getting his wall, the TSA is now basically on strike.

RickJWagner 8y ago

Plenty of people see it as the Democrats in Congress who are holding things up. (After all, there is universal agreement that border security is important. Also, many prominent Democrats have pledged support for physical barriers in the recent past.) I tend to agree with Cher, which doesn't happen often. She says that Democrats can be seen as heroes if they compromise on the wall to re-open the government. (But if they do not do this, Cher believes the Democrats will ultimately suffer for the fallout.) Time may tell if she is right or not.

krapp 8y ago
>Plenty of people see it as the Democrats in Congress who are holding things up. Yes, we call those people Republicans.
- RickJWagner 8y ago
  That's fair. Both sides usually blame each other. During the Obama administration, there was a government shutdown as well. Democrats blamed the Republican congress, Republicans blamed Obama and the Democrats. It really does (or should) take cooperation when things are as evenly distributed as they are. I only wish there were incentives for the politicians to work faster.
  - humantiy 8y ago
    I agree, but I'd take work together to find common ground first over work faster. I think in some respects when they work faster or in complete agreement we get things passed that are not in the best interest of the american people/values (Patriot act comes to mind).
- forgottenpass 8y ago
  Any dissent from within gets the dissenter grouped with the opposition? The 116th congress is shaping up to be another round of Democrats snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
  - krapp 8y ago
    I do think it's a safe bet that anyone who blames the blue team for everything will tend to be from the red team, yes. That is, unfortunately, the way American politics works.
gremlinsinc 8y ago
Right... Trump's exact words: Yes, if we don't get what we want... I will shutdown the government. I am proud to shutdown the government for border security. I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I won't blame you for it. I will take the mantle. I will shut it down. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t7bYWM9zAw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t7bYWM9zAw