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> I also can’t stand the notch....I’d rather they removed the selfie camera and relocate the speaker to the top of the phone. I agree, although note that on ma

> I also can’t stand the notch....I’d rather they removed the selfie camera and relocate the speaker to the top of the phone. I agree, although note that on many phones the proximity sensory, ambient light sensors, and/or face-recognition sensors are also located in the notch. Moving those to the edges of the phone, or putting them below the display, introduces additional engineering headaches. I'd rather they just cut off the display about 5 mm from the top of the phone and put whatever sensors they need in that narrow strip. Turning ~60% of that 5mm strip into display is pointless, ugly, and adds significant software complications. Hopefully it's just a fad like the rounded display edges.

ianai 8y ago
I think that’s what they will eventually do. I saw somewhere a paint had been patented that matches the black of the edge of the case but that lets the camera see out (or something like that). I do understand that there are legitimate uses for the front of the phone real estate. But I think they’re already willing to experiment with removing features for design so a perfectly edge to edge display sans sensors and camera makes sense-if only as an option amongst a couple options.
- jessriedel 8y ago
  > I saw somewhere a paint had been patented that matches the black of the edge of the case but that lets the camera see out (or something like that) Note that iPads already have some sensors behind the seemingly opaque white paint. (Purely for style reasons, I think.) And it's already pretty hard to see the front-facing camera on a black cell phone.
Marsymars 8y ago
> Hopefully it's just a fad like the rounded display edges. Edges or corners? I doubt rounded corners are a fad - if you think about the geometry of corners, assuming you need some minimum distance between the edge and the display, and your physical corners aren't a perfect 90°, you need rounded screen corners to maintain the minimum physical bezel size around the entire display.
- jessriedel 8y ago
  I meant edges, not corners. They are sometimes called "edge displays" because they go "edge to edge" https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.androidauthority.com/best-phones-edge-displays-848859/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.androidauthority.com/best-p... (The silly part is the curve in the display, not per se that there is no bezel.)

ianai 8y ago

I think that’s what they will eventually do. I saw somewhere a paint had been patented that matches the black of the edge of the case but that lets the camera see out (or something like that). I do understand that there are legitimate uses for the front of the phone real estate. But I think they’re already willing to experiment with removing features for design so a perfectly edge to edge display sans sensors and camera makes sense-if only as an option amongst a couple options.

jessriedel 8y ago
> I saw somewhere a paint had been patented that matches the black of the edge of the case but that lets the camera see out (or something like that) Note that iPads already have some sensors behind the seemingly opaque white paint. (Purely for style reasons, I think.) And it's already pretty hard to see the front-facing camera on a black cell phone.

Marsymars 8y ago

> Hopefully it's just a fad like the rounded display edges. Edges or corners? I doubt rounded corners are a fad - if you think about the geometry of corners, assuming you need some minimum distance between the edge and the display, and your physical corners aren't a perfect 90°, you need rounded screen corners to maintain the minimum physical bezel size around the entire display.

jessriedel 8y ago
I meant edges, not corners. They are sometimes called "edge displays" because they go "edge to edge" https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.androidauthority.com/best-phones-edge-displays-848859/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.androidauthority.com/best-p... (The silly part is the curve in the display, not per se that there is no bezel.)