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This is terrible advice. Signing a contract you then willfully violate may cost you significant time and money, and if I found out this is how you operate, I’d

This is terrible advice. Signing a contract you then willfully violate may cost you significant time and money, and if I found out this is how you operate, I’d never hire you. I suspect many other employers wouldn’t either. Simply don’t sign such a contract.

mancerayder 8y ago
found out this is how you operate, I’d never hire you. You wouldn't find out until I found a new job someplace else, right? And at that point, why would I lose sleep over how incensed you supposedly would be, here, hypothetically? Worked great for my ex boss. What do you recommend, a person stays unemployed forever because they refuse to sign these unprincipled agreements? Did you read the Bloomberg article? We're not all Richard Stallman. Some of us have mortgages and obligations. Let's hope more states follow California.
- ThrustVectoring 8y ago
  >What do you recommend, a person stays unemployed forever because they refuse to sign these unprincipled agreements? You don't need to be that dramatic about the non-compete. What you do is you ask HR via e-mail whether the non-compete is negotiable or a mandatory requirement for employment. If it is mandatory, then you have written proof that the non-compete is a contract of adhesion, so you simply need to budget for a lawyer to sue to nullify it on termination. If it is negotiable, then you don't sign the non-compete, or sign a non-compete clause that actually compensates you at full or partial salary for the time spent not competing.
- ChrisLomont 8y ago
  >why would I lose sleep over how incensed you supposedly would be I'm not incensed; I'm pointing out this attitude and commentary is likely a negative to your getting hired if employers discover it. >You wouldn't find out until I found a new job someplace else, right? Unless some previous employer mentioned it, or a google or background found it (or this comment). It's pretty common to run all potential hires through a background check service, especially as the value of the hire increases. I know places I've done hiring has not hired people based on their past discoverable behavior.

mancerayder 8y ago

found out this is how you operate, I’d never hire you. You wouldn't find out until I found a new job someplace else, right? And at that point, why would I lose sleep over how incensed you supposedly would be, here, hypothetically? Worked great for my ex boss. What do you recommend, a person stays unemployed forever because they refuse to sign these unprincipled agreements? Did you read the Bloomberg article? We're not all Richard Stallman. Some of us have mortgages and obligations. Let's hope more states follow California.

ThrustVectoring 8y ago
>What do you recommend, a person stays unemployed forever because they refuse to sign these unprincipled agreements? You don't need to be that dramatic about the non-compete. What you do is you ask HR via e-mail whether the non-compete is negotiable or a mandatory requirement for employment. If it is mandatory, then you have written proof that the non-compete is a contract of adhesion, so you simply need to budget for a lawyer to sue to nullify it on termination. If it is negotiable, then you don't sign the non-compete, or sign a non-compete clause that actually compensates you at full or partial salary for the time spent not competing.
ChrisLomont 8y ago
>why would I lose sleep over how incensed you supposedly would be I'm not incensed; I'm pointing out this attitude and commentary is likely a negative to your getting hired if employers discover it. >You wouldn't find out until I found a new job someplace else, right? Unless some previous employer mentioned it, or a google or background found it (or this comment). It's pretty common to run all potential hires through a background check service, especially as the value of the hire increases. I know places I've done hiring has not hired people based on their past discoverable behavior.