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This. Jobs and Co. brought iTunes to Windows (reluctantly) because people were not willing to buy a Mac just to use their potentially new iPod. The underlying p

This. Jobs and Co. brought iTunes to Windows (reluctantly) because people were not willing to buy a Mac just to use their potentially new iPod. The underlying philosophy was that people who used the iPod would be more likely to buy into Apple's ecosystem in the future (such as buying a Mac). Seemed to work pretty well, but a million other factors can also be attributed to increased Mac sales post iPod. I mean how could you see anything but beauty in that magical little MP3 player :-)

CodeWriter23 8y ago
So, Halo Effect 2.0?
thaumasiotes 8y ago
> I mean how could you see anything but beauty in that magical little MP3 player I was given an iPod when they were new. I used it once and gave it to someone else. They were the opposite of "little". Later, I had a Zen Stone ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Zen#ZEN_Stone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Zen#ZEN_Stone ). That was exactly what I wanted -- tiny with no screen. I used it to play music in the car, where I didn't want to have to look at the device in order to control it. The "tiny" form factor is still around (though... not for iPods, where the Shuffle is discontinued). It's not so easy to find one with no screen though.
- jdillaaa 8y ago
  Interesting. I just use a thumb drive in my car with a ton of MP3s on it (which would achieve what the Zen Stone did), but cars didn't have USB inputs in 2007 so I see how the Stone could be useful. For standard music listening though, I have not been able to find anything that beats the iPod's touch wheel. Load rockbox onto an iPod classic (swap out the HDD with an SD card), and it is hard to beat IMO. You can store FLAC/Vorbis/MP3/WAV whatever it is you have, and you then have a device that is just for music with none of the distractions that smart phones bring. It has really transformed how I listen to music, because I am connected to a device that is designed for just playing music with no bells or whistles. The book "The Inner History of Devices" (https://sherryturkle.com/books-research/inner-history-devices/ https://sherryturkle.com/books-research/inner-history-device...) talks about the anthropology of how we connect to our devices, and how this connection is of course associated with everything that we do with our phones. Music blends into web browsing that becomes numbing, which blends into phone calls, which blends into messaging, etc ... I can now leave my phone at home, and just carry my iPod with me, and the fact that the device I have on me is for music, and nothing else, changes how I experience it. It is super easy to navigate throughout your music collection with the touch wheel, whereas most other MP3 players have a mediocre touch screen that is laggy/unresponsive (https://www.sony.com/electronics/walkman/nw-a30-series/buy/nwa35-b https://www.sony.com/electronics/walkman/nw-a30-series/buy/n...) or buttons that are just as cumbersome to use. Pretty sad that Apple discontinued their iPod line and how most enjoyable music solutions require a device with an IP stack. The "essence" of the devices that play music seem to distance us from the music, because our music falls into the category of all of the other apps, like Netflix, our internet browsers, or social media if you use it ...
  - thaumasiotes 8y ago
    > cars didn't have USB inputs in 2007 so I see how the Stone could be useful. The car had been purchased by my grandmother and its only methods of playing sound were (1) the radio and (2) the cassette deck. Prior to the Stone, I used a portable CD player with an audio-cable-to-cassette-tape adapter. The audio cable plugged into the Stone just fine. I find this an interesting example. If my car had had the current-generation technology (a built-in CD player), I would have been stuck with CDs. But having past-generation technology meant that I could use the existing tape-to-CD-player compatibility shim to plug in the Stone.
- llampx 8y ago
  Take the iPod Shuffle then. It came out 2 years before the Zen Stone and defined the tiny, no-screen market. Even today you can buy knockoffs at Primark for cheap.
  - thaumasiotes 8y ago
    I think the Shuffle is a great form factor. The Stone did have one other significant advantage -- from my computer's perspective, it was just a flash drive. I believe iPods really, really want you to interact with them using iTunes.
Izkata 8y ago
> I mean how could you see anything but beauty in that magical little MP3 player :-) They had the blandest form-factor of any mp3 player out at the time. I miss the variety of that era.

CodeWriter23 8y ago

So, Halo Effect 2.0?

thaumasiotes 8y ago

> I mean how could you see anything but beauty in that magical little MP3 player I was given an iPod when they were new. I used it once and gave it to someone else. They were the opposite of "little". Later, I had a Zen Stone ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Zen#ZEN_Stone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Zen#ZEN_Stone ). That was exactly what I wanted -- tiny with no screen. I used it to play music in the car, where I didn't want to have to look at the device in order to control it. The "tiny" form factor is still around (though... not for iPods, where the Shuffle is discontinued). It's not so easy to find one with no screen though.

jdillaaa 8y ago
Interesting. I just use a thumb drive in my car with a ton of MP3s on it (which would achieve what the Zen Stone did), but cars didn't have USB inputs in 2007 so I see how the Stone could be useful. For standard music listening though, I have not been able to find anything that beats the iPod's touch wheel. Load rockbox onto an iPod classic (swap out the HDD with an SD card), and it is hard to beat IMO. You can store FLAC/Vorbis/MP3/WAV whatever it is you have, and you then have a device that is just for music with none of the distractions that smart phones bring. It has really transformed how I listen to music, because I am connected to a device that is designed for just playing music with no bells or whistles. The book "The Inner History of Devices" (https://sherryturkle.com/books-research/inner-history-devices/ https://sherryturkle.com/books-research/inner-history-device...) talks about the anthropology of how we connect to our devices, and how this connection is of course associated with everything that we do with our phones. Music blends into web browsing that becomes numbing, which blends into phone calls, which blends into messaging, etc ... I can now leave my phone at home, and just carry my iPod with me, and the fact that the device I have on me is for music, and nothing else, changes how I experience it. It is super easy to navigate throughout your music collection with the touch wheel, whereas most other MP3 players have a mediocre touch screen that is laggy/unresponsive (https://www.sony.com/electronics/walkman/nw-a30-series/buy/nwa35-b https://www.sony.com/electronics/walkman/nw-a30-series/buy/n...) or buttons that are just as cumbersome to use. Pretty sad that Apple discontinued their iPod line and how most enjoyable music solutions require a device with an IP stack. The "essence" of the devices that play music seem to distance us from the music, because our music falls into the category of all of the other apps, like Netflix, our internet browsers, or social media if you use it ...
- thaumasiotes 8y ago
  > cars didn't have USB inputs in 2007 so I see how the Stone could be useful. The car had been purchased by my grandmother and its only methods of playing sound were (1) the radio and (2) the cassette deck. Prior to the Stone, I used a portable CD player with an audio-cable-to-cassette-tape adapter. The audio cable plugged into the Stone just fine. I find this an interesting example. If my car had had the current-generation technology (a built-in CD player), I would have been stuck with CDs. But having past-generation technology meant that I could use the existing tape-to-CD-player compatibility shim to plug in the Stone.
llampx 8y ago
Take the iPod Shuffle then. It came out 2 years before the Zen Stone and defined the tiny, no-screen market. Even today you can buy knockoffs at Primark for cheap.
- thaumasiotes 8y ago
  I think the Shuffle is a great form factor. The Stone did have one other significant advantage -- from my computer's perspective, it was just a flash drive. I believe iPods really, really want you to interact with them using iTunes.

Izkata 8y ago

> I mean how could you see anything but beauty in that magical little MP3 player :-) They had the blandest form-factor of any mp3 player out at the time. I miss the variety of that era.