You're language is still not quite right. A cross product does not include those parts of the outer joins. An inner join is a subset of a cross product, but an

You're language is still not quite right. A cross product does not include those parts of the outer joins. An inner join is a subset of a cross product, but an outer join includes elements not in either. What you say would be true of a full outer join, but not a cross product. If one circle in the Venn diagram represents the left join and one circle right join, then the Venn diagrams would be correct but not if the circles represent separate tables.