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I think it’s more accurate to say the Democrats (and many of their supporters) don’t want a Trump success. Most or all of the current players that were in offic

I think it’s more accurate to say the Democrats (and many of their supporters) don’t want a Trump success. Most or all of the current players that were in office in 2006 voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006, and the same applies to the 2013 Senate immigration overhaul. It has little to do with the subject of the budget allocation and everything to do with obstructing (for better or worse depending on your own views). Politics in the US has devolved into a strictly two-party system where it’s more important for the other side to fail than be able to hold their success up, where it has ceased to be about what’s best for our civilization and more about grabbing and holding on to as much power as possible, our rights be damned. I don’t hold the Republicans or Democrats any higher in this.

dragontamer 8y ago
> I think it’s more accurate to say the Democrats (and many of their supporters) don’t want a Trump success. Most or all of the current players that were in office in 2006 voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006, and the same applies to the 2013 Senate immigration overhaul. The Democrats offered +$1.3 Billion to boarder security. Its literally passed the House already. Proof is in the pudding, Democrats ALREADY passed such a bill weeks ago. The Democrats are have already accepted +Fences at the boarder. https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-joint-resolution/1 https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-joint-res... https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/21/text?r=1&s=5 https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/21/t... If Trump dials back his rhetoric and asks for a fence, I bet you this shutdown will end. Heck, if the Senate takes up the Democrats's +$1.3 Billion offer, this whole thing could be over on Monday. Senate hasn't passed a bill yet in any case. As I said earlier: the Senate is where bills typically die. Nothing new there. But Republicans don't want a fence, they want a wall. Otherwise, they would have passed H.J Res.1 / HR 21 already. Trump's base wants a wall. That's where the debate is stuck right now. They aren't accepting a fence.
JamesBarney 8y ago
The way to view this and previous shutdowns is to blame the party that isn't willing to vote for the CR. That's the party taking the government hostage to achieve their political goals.
- Buttons840 8y ago
  What does "CR" mean?
  - battywombat 8y ago
    "Continuing Resolution". It's a bill to keep funding the government at the rate determined by the last past budget.
  - dragontamer 8y ago
    CR means to pass last year's budget (for only a few months), so that you can get more time to debate without people's paychecks getting lost. Trump + Republicans have veto'd the CR, meaning they want the shutdown to put more pressure for the Wall.
tzs 8y ago
> Most or all of the current players that were in office in 2006 voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006 ...and in retrospect that turned out to be ineffective and probably not worth the money. I'm happy if the people still around who voted for it learned from that and instead support more effective border security methods instead of simply repeating old mistakes on a larger scale.

dragontamer 8y ago

> I think it’s more accurate to say the Democrats (and many of their supporters) don’t want a Trump success. Most or all of the current players that were in office in 2006 voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006, and the same applies to the 2013 Senate immigration overhaul. The Democrats offered +$1.3 Billion to boarder security. Its literally passed the House already. Proof is in the pudding, Democrats ALREADY passed such a bill weeks ago. The Democrats are have already accepted +Fences at the boarder. https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-joint-resolution/1 https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-joint-res... https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/21/text?r=1&s=5 https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/21/t... If Trump dials back his rhetoric and asks for a fence, I bet you this shutdown will end. Heck, if the Senate takes up the Democrats's +$1.3 Billion offer, this whole thing could be over on Monday. Senate hasn't passed a bill yet in any case. As I said earlier: the Senate is where bills typically die. Nothing new there. But Republicans don't want a fence, they want a wall. Otherwise, they would have passed H.J Res.1 / HR 21 already. Trump's base wants a wall. That's where the debate is stuck right now. They aren't accepting a fence.

JamesBarney 8y ago

The way to view this and previous shutdowns is to blame the party that isn't willing to vote for the CR. That's the party taking the government hostage to achieve their political goals.

Buttons840 8y ago
What does "CR" mean?
- battywombat 8y ago
  "Continuing Resolution". It's a bill to keep funding the government at the rate determined by the last past budget.
- dragontamer 8y ago
  CR means to pass last year's budget (for only a few months), so that you can get more time to debate without people's paychecks getting lost. Trump + Republicans have veto'd the CR, meaning they want the shutdown to put more pressure for the Wall.

tzs 8y ago

> Most or all of the current players that were in office in 2006 voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006 ...and in retrospect that turned out to be ineffective and probably not worth the money. I'm happy if the people still around who voted for it learned from that and instead support more effective border security methods instead of simply repeating old mistakes on a larger scale.