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Data.gov is down due to a lapse in government funding
- tgtweak 8y agoKind of pisses me off that the energy star site is offline too. Was shopping for some new windows (all the efficiencies are posted there for certified vendors and models) and every link there lands on a "sorry we're closed during the shutdown" message.
- chabes 8y agoDid you try archive.org?
- tgtweak 8y agoThat's a good idea, the window search (there are many thousand skus) is service+api based though, doesn't look like archive will cache that part. Would be amusing if the API was still live though. I'll poke a bit. FYI the "pissed" comment was mostly at the situation as a whole and not at anyone behind the energy star site, who are rightfully furloughed and should not be leaving unmonitored services up. Also I was able to find most of the info on the Canadian energuide site.
- ben_jones 8y agoThe irony that someone had to take the time to prepare that message instead of, I don't know, doing the bare minimum to keep the site up during the shutdown.
- WrtCdEvrydy 8y ago> doing the bare minimum to keep the site up during the shutdown. Hatch Act makes it illegal to work during shutdown, you're only supposed to come in, check your voice messages and perform your shutdown procedures (if you have any)
- googlemike 8y agoDoes it? from wikipedia: > The Hatch Act of 1939, officially An Act to Prevent Pernicious Political Activities, is a United States federal law whose main provision prohibits employees in the executive branch of the federal government, except the president, vice-president, and certain designated high-level officials,[1] from engaging in some forms of political activity. It went into law on August 2, 1939. The law was named for Senator Carl Hatch of New Mexico. It was most recently amended in 2012.[2] Where do you see anything about shutdowns? Are you sure you have the right act? Do I have the wrong act?
- sbov 8y agoLooks like it might actually be the Antideficiency Act: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antideficiency_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antideficiency_Act
- epistasis 8y agoApparently the executive branch has some authority to decide what's essential or not, so clearly websites are not thought to be as essential as authorizing drilling permits: https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2019-01-11/no-park-rangers-or-food-inspections-but-government-reopens-for-oil-and-gas https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2019-01-1...
- pimlottc 8y agoYou’re probably thinking of the Anti-Deficiency Act.
- rukittenme 8y agoSo much of this shutdown fight is just ego. We've now lost more money due to the shutdown than would have been saved by depriving Trump his wall. Just give him the money and be done with it. Regardless of its effectiveness just pitch it as a federal jobs program... Just. End. It.
- BEEdwards 8y agoThat's the problem, the amount he's asking for will barely start a wall, a wall is a dumb idea any, and if you cave once where does it end?
- matte_black 8y agoIf a wall is such a dumb ineffective idea why don’t Democrats just support it since it will continue to allow people to come in illegally?
- diab0lic 8y agoI hesitate to get involved in any political discussion here, but I want to understand you. You seem to be suggesting that it is the objective of Democrats to continue to allow people to enter the country illegally. Do you truly believe that? The wall being ineffective is a good argument against it, but it isn't the only one. Even an ineffective wall will surely damage the relationship between the two countries it separates, for example.
- matte_black 8y agoIs there any data that shows walls between countries damage their relationships? I do believe Democrats want people to enter illegally, instead of not at all. Based on things they say I see no reason why to think that’s not the case.
- diab0lic 8y agoI think I understand you a little better now, thank you.
- yosefzeev 8y agoI wonder what the expenses are of the site such that the shutdown warranted shuttering the site?
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- sbov 8y agoThere might be expenses, but I would also be hesitant to let a site run without a human being able to monitor it, respond to any alerts, apply security patches, etc.
- philipashlock 8y agoBingo! See https://www.zdnet.com/article/government-shutdown-tls-certificates-not-renewed-many-websites-are-down https://www.zdnet.com/article/government-shutdown-tls-certif...
- vpmpaul 8y agoAll that does is give you an invalid certificate warning when you go to the site. How does that warrant shutting it down. If you can't see that this is 100% politically motivated. Well... there is one born every minute...a <blank> and his money are soon parted....
- lettergram 8y agoThere was a construction company working on the main road in town (Illinois). The last state shutdown had them stop working... even though the road was 100% federally funded AND they were paid upfront for 3 months of work. I suspect this was done to raise light to the situation (or they wanted time off). Similarly, I suspect running this website is mostly automated and likely being shut down to raise awareness
- thefounder 8y agoMaybe they need some stuff approved...surely they could take advantage of the shutdown if the contract allows it but usually government contracts, (especially the construction projects)need all kind of permissions/approvals.
- tehlike 8y agoOr most likely it needed government supervision which didnt have funding.
- andy_ppp 8y agoHow do you know the servers aren't paid for monthly and would have been switched off in an uncontrolled way without this?
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- NotAnEconomist 8y agoAlso, just because the servers stay online cheaply don't mean that the operations and security teams work for free. If the government can't keep staffing those teams, the responsible thing is to pull the servers down on their way out -- rather than leaving a government asset unmonitored.
- ethbro 8y agoHigh traffic, high risk, high SLA websites typically don't run without support teams and 24/7 pager service. Just because it can run, for any sort of dynamic site, it'd be stupid and dangerous to keep it exposed to the internet without active monitoring. Can != Should
- philipashlock 8y agoFor examples of the risk of unmaintained government websites, just see https://www.zdnet.com/article/government-shutdown-tls-certificates-not-renewed-many-websites-are-down/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/government-shutdown-tls-certif... Also note that Data.gov was participating in a Bug Bounty program through HackerOne which means it was actively encouraging people to find vulnerabilities but is no longer able to respond to them - https://hackerone.com/tts https://hackerone.com/tts Here's the official statement: “As data.gov is not a static site, it requires staff monitoring and maintenance to be online,” a GSA spokesperson told FedScoop in a statement. “Because personnel that monitor and maintain the site are currently furloughed, data.gov redirects to usa.gov. The decision to take data.gov offline is consistent with previous funding lapse practices.” Via https://www.fedscoop.com/data-gov-open-data-offline-shutdown/ https://www.fedscoop.com/data-gov-open-data-offline-shutdown...
- robmiller 8y agoYou'd think TSA would be able to pay their employees at $5.60 per head through their lines. They state that they raked in $4B in 2018 in 911 Security Fees[0]. I'm sure there's entanglement between government departments (payroll elsewhere?) that complicates this, but they do state the fees are paid to TSA, and perhaps not the Treasury. Has anyone bought an airline ticket since the shutdown? Perhaps they're not charging the fee, since they are unable to provide security or its theatre during this time. [0] https://www.tsa.gov/for-industry/security-fees https://www.tsa.gov/for-industry/security-fees
- vpmpaul 8y agoIf you can't see this is 100% politically motivated I have little faith in the HN community anymore.
- geofft 8y agoOh, it's absolutely politically motivated. But so is everything else on HN. Is open source good? Should venture capitalism be a viable career? How should startups be funded? Is technology making the world a better place? Is China trying to hack us all (and who is "us")? How much should programmers be paid, and how do you even formulate the answer to such a question? Is it bad for cell phone companies to sell customer location data? What about net neutrality? Does it matter whether SpaceX is more successful than NASA?
- tlogan 8y agoI do not know why people think this is some "conspiracy" or "politically" motivated. One my customers is also .gov. So the invoice from 1st of Jan 2019 was not paid. Should I cancel their service? And nobody even answers on our emails (saying gov shutdown bla bla). The shutdown is politically motivated. The fact that certain government operations do not work is the result of the shutdown.
- ckdarby 8y agoToday I learned that the government needs to start operating a bit more like a corporation in the sense of removing paper pushers. Automation, some of the comments are linking to TLS renewals. It is 2019, how is there still an individual manually doing this kind of work?
- tsumnia 8y ago> Today I learned that the government needs to start operating a bit more like a corporation in the sense of removing paper pushers. Not to stir the political pot, but this is one of the reasons my father says he voted Trump - an "outsider from corporate lands" would cut the fat of government and start running it like a company. The government is slow because OF the paper pushers, and the often used cliche "you have to really do a bad job to get fired as a government worker".
- Spacemolte 8y agoI really like the idea. We recently got a new minister of education, who is a successful entrepreneur, and so far he has done a great job. But I guess it all depends on who you pick for the position..
- lern_too_spel 8y agoSo you elect a cokehead. Not that we're any better in Silicon Valley. We elected a cokehead to the board of the Santa Clara Valley Water District just because he outspent his opponent ten to one.
- Spacemolte 8y agoMy guess is like other people are saying, awareness, and having a short expire time on certificates should also make it less usable if someone gets access to the certificate by them having less time to use it. Same reason why passwords should be rotated often.
- pwg 8y agoYou'd be amazed. One example: Deployment of updated software to 15+ VM's by the method of: 1) Development team creates lengthy MSWord document describing steps, including Bash command lines to perform each step interspersed among narrative paragraphs; 2) Operations team performs deployment by copy-pasting the Bash command lines from MSWord doc. into terminals (repeat copy-paste for the 15+ VM's that are being updated).
- sschueller 8y agoSo now would be a good time to use your 0 days as there is no one around to patch the systems...
- StavrosK 8y agoEven your 2-days are good.
- thedudeabides5 8y agoI mean, it's kinda cool that they still put the data out there. As a JSON wrapped in a tar file, it's not exactly accessible to all, but at least it's out there. https://filestore.data.gov/gsa/catalog/jsonl/dataset.jsonl.gz https://filestore.data.gov/gsa/catalog/jsonl/dataset.jsonl.g...