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This is a terrible idea. When you give someone the ability to label someone else as mentally ill you will get abuse. You know the Stanford Prison experiment? Th
by nobody271 8y ago
This is a terrible idea. When you give someone the ability to label someone else as mentally ill you will get abuse. You know the Stanford Prison experiment? The people doing the judging become like the guards. They have no personal responsibility for the lives they ruin and at the same time are so full of themselves that they cannot process any state other than they are doing a good thing. It's not like they are incredibly wise and thoughtful people. No, lol, they're the same idiots who stop in the middle of the intersection when the light turns red. They're just people doing a job that pays well. They're looking out for #1. The end. If you replaced "can't be a business leader" with "needs a lobotomy" they would not bat an eye.
So while I agree with your sentiment we as a society are just not wise enough to implement that.
- ngokevin 8y agoStanford Prison Experiment wasn't legit. Guards were instructed and encouraged to act tough, and surprisingly few did. Prisoner breakdowns were kids acting and took it as an improv opportunity. And many other nuggets were exposed. https://medium.com/s/trustissues/the-lifespan-of-a-lie-d869212b1f62 https://medium.com/s/trustissues/the-lifespan-of-a-lie-d8692... Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17287319 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17287319
- nobody271 8y agoTIL
- WalterSear 8y agoZimbardo is a rather terrible person, IMHO.
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- chasd00 8y agoI don't even agree with the sentiment. The "empathise with/care for others" gives them away, empathy has nothing to do with care. This question is pointless and is just a play to emotion. Further, read up on the Stanford Prison experiment, it was pretty much faked. Here's the first google hit https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17449118/stanford-prison-experiment-fraud-psychology-replication https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17449118/stanford-prison-exper...
- jf- 8y ago> empathy has nothing to do with care I find this a remarkable statement, what do you take empathy to be? Do you think that people can realistically care for others in a purely cognitive, non-emotional sense?
- chasd00 8y agoYes, I do. I cannot empathize with a goldfish because I can't know what it's like to be a goldfish but i can care for it because I know its needs. I can empathize with someone who is ill because they are human and I've been ill but i cannot care for them because I don't know their needs.
- jf- 8y agoSo if you saw your goldfish being clearly uncomfortable or in pain, would you have an emotional reaction to it, making you feel bad for it? That’s empathy. You don’t need to imagine the goldfish's daily routine to experience this. In the absence of this emotion, there is no incentive to perform the mechanistic actions that constitute “caring for” it.
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- WalterSear 8y agoEmpathy is the process of correctly evaluating another's motives and internal state. While it's frequently assumed, it doesn't follow that one must necessarily feel sympathy for them. You need empathy to outwit an opponent, for example.
- CM30 8y agoTrue, it's a terrible idea to let people label others as mentally ill or what not. And also true, something like this would be a horrible idea now, since there'd be no good, objective way to measure it. But the question really dealt with a situation where it was objectively possible to figure out if someone was a sociopath. Like if you could do a DNA test and have cast iron evidence one way or the other. Would that change the moral aspect somewhat?
- AmericanChopper 8y agoYou and the OP are basically describing eugenics.
- nobody271 8y agoOkay, I guess not. It wouldn't be right to deny someone a position based on that feature unless there were a way to link it to being abusive or something. When I said I agree with your sentiment I was just trying to avoid pissing OP off rather than connecting on something I thought all the way through. So what I'm really trying to say is I'm a liar.