4 ms·

Any art form that was created by the Soviet artists will be considered propaganda since it was state sanctioned. And they were pretty vocal and straightforward

Any art form that was created by the Soviet artists will be considered propaganda since it was state sanctioned. And they were pretty vocal and straightforward about that, art was to educate the people. In US, art many times is just away to make money. But I actually prefer the propaganda art. My favorite propaganda movies are by Tarkovsky - Mirror and Stalker....

kstenerud 8y ago
Everything done by the Soviets was state sanctioned. Making toothbrushes was state sanctioned (and centrally controlled, poorly). So if a cultural piece is produced by, under the direction of, or with the sanction of a government entity, does that make it propaganda? If so, this would make it impossible for any centrally controlled populace to create anything not propaganda.
- StavrosK 8y ago
  And impossible for private actors to create anything propaganda.
  - varjag 8y ago
    Artists were in fact routinely punished for creating art not serving propagandist effect.
    - StavrosK 8y ago
      I feel like this thread confuses the meaning of the word "propaganda". Artists were punished for creating art not in line with the government's ideals, not because they made art that wasn't propaganda.
StavrosK 8y ago
> Any art form that was created by the Soviet artists will be considered propaganda since it was state sanctioned How does this follow? Are US Army ads propaganda? How about NASA posters? Agricultural statistics leaflets? What do you call media that uses manipulative language to stir popular feeling through appeals to emotion that was privately funded? Nowhere in the dictionary does it say it's propaganda iff it's state-sanctioned: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/propaganda https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/propaganda
- Shivetya 8y ago
  Well there was America's Army[1], a video developed for the US Army. There are a whole series of these games and if they are not propaganda I don't know what is. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America%27s_Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America%27s_Army
  - StavrosK 8y ago
    I'm not asking if the US army has ever produced propaganda. I'm asking if everything it produces is propaganda.
- projektfu 8y ago
  Propaganda can have a rather neutral definition. US Army ads are definitely propaganda. NASA posters are more of a form of marketing and self promotion. I don't think I've ever seen an agricultural statistics leaflet. But if you go to a public health clinic, you will see lots of propaganda about smoking, well care visits for infants, vaccines, STDs, etc. There is tons of propaganda in the US, much of it put out by 3rd parties, for example anything to promote "awareness" of some cause or issue. Also, any issue-oriented documentary is probably propaganda.
  - StavrosK 8y ago
    Is it propaganda because of who pays for it? If I had paid to produce and distribute the leaflet that public health clinics do, would that be not-propaganda just because it's not state-produced?
    - cat199 8y ago
      Let's see what the dictionary has to say: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/propaganda https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/propaganda 1 capitalized : a congregation of the Roman curia having jurisdiction over missionary territories and related institutions 2 : the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person 3 : ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause also : a public action having such an effect so.. quite a few things are propaganda. it's not really so scary a term, and so being not so scary, we can see it more clearly and not be afraid of labeling it. the question is more "is this good propaganda or bad propganda?"
deleted 8y ago
[deleted]
c-smile 8y ago
USSR was a state-wide-corporation, and society model was state capitalism. Just one big corporation where government is just a board of directors really. Same is China now. In fact as larger US company as more of those stuff from USSR in it. That was my biggest surprise when I moved to North America from USSR in 1999. Imagine establishment of one big "USA, Inc" and you will get an idea how it could work. You will get planned economy on its next day, exactly what any corporation do these days - planning to minimize operational expenses.

kstenerud 8y ago

Everything done by the Soviets was state sanctioned. Making toothbrushes was state sanctioned (and centrally controlled, poorly). So if a cultural piece is produced by, under the direction of, or with the sanction of a government entity, does that make it propaganda? If so, this would make it impossible for any centrally controlled populace to create anything not propaganda.

StavrosK 8y ago
And impossible for private actors to create anything propaganda.
- varjag 8y ago
  Artists were in fact routinely punished for creating art not serving propagandist effect.
  - StavrosK 8y ago
    I feel like this thread confuses the meaning of the word "propaganda". Artists were punished for creating art not in line with the government's ideals, not because they made art that wasn't propaganda.

StavrosK 8y ago

> Any art form that was created by the Soviet artists will be considered propaganda since it was state sanctioned How does this follow? Are US Army ads propaganda? How about NASA posters? Agricultural statistics leaflets? What do you call media that uses manipulative language to stir popular feeling through appeals to emotion that was privately funded? Nowhere in the dictionary does it say it's propaganda iff it's state-sanctioned: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/propaganda https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/propaganda

Shivetya 8y ago
Well there was America's Army[1], a video developed for the US Army. There are a whole series of these games and if they are not propaganda I don't know what is. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America%27s_Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America%27s_Army
- StavrosK 8y ago
  I'm not asking if the US army has ever produced propaganda. I'm asking if everything it produces is propaganda.
projektfu 8y ago
Propaganda can have a rather neutral definition. US Army ads are definitely propaganda. NASA posters are more of a form of marketing and self promotion. I don't think I've ever seen an agricultural statistics leaflet. But if you go to a public health clinic, you will see lots of propaganda about smoking, well care visits for infants, vaccines, STDs, etc. There is tons of propaganda in the US, much of it put out by 3rd parties, for example anything to promote "awareness" of some cause or issue. Also, any issue-oriented documentary is probably propaganda.
- StavrosK 8y ago
  Is it propaganda because of who pays for it? If I had paid to produce and distribute the leaflet that public health clinics do, would that be not-propaganda just because it's not state-produced?
  - cat199 8y ago
    Let's see what the dictionary has to say: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/propaganda https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/propaganda 1 capitalized : a congregation of the Roman curia having jurisdiction over missionary territories and related institutions 2 : the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person 3 : ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause also : a public action having such an effect so.. quite a few things are propaganda. it's not really so scary a term, and so being not so scary, we can see it more clearly and not be afraid of labeling it. the question is more "is this good propaganda or bad propganda?"

deleted 8y ago

[deleted]

c-smile 8y ago

USSR was a state-wide-corporation, and society model was state capitalism. Just one big corporation where government is just a board of directors really. Same is China now. In fact as larger US company as more of those stuff from USSR in it. That was my biggest surprise when I moved to North America from USSR in 1999. Imagine establishment of one big "USA, Inc" and you will get an idea how it could work. You will get planned economy on its next day, exactly what any corporation do these days - planning to minimize operational expenses.