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Apparently people don't like the cars argument, so let's try bikes instead. If I leave my bike locked up outside somewhere, and you cut my lock and take it hom

Apparently people don't like the cars argument, so let's try bikes instead. If I leave my bike locked up outside somewhere, and you cut my lock and take it home, that's theft. You can't just steal bikes because they've been left on public land. My property doesn't cease to be my property just because it isn't on my land. Registration or licencing doesn't come into it. "Finders keepers" is not a law.

test6554 8y ago
Yea, people who know of property rights can get pretty disgusted at people who don't.
vanderZwan 8y ago
See my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18890622 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18890622
twtw 8y ago
> You can't just steal bikes because they've been left on public land What is the anticipated solution when you leave your bike on my private land? I've seen loads of bird scooters left on private property, and I don't see what the property owners are supposed to do. Call the police every time?
- notatoad 8y ago
  If somebody has abandoned their property on your property and you want it gone, you can move it off your property. But it still doesn't become yours, and you definitely don't need to call the police about it. Going back to the car analogy, if i park my car in your private parking lot, you can have it towed. It doesn't become your car. Same with a bike - you can move it off your property, but you can't steal it, because that would be stealing. Is there some sort of mental block happening here where people are forgetting how the world works because they hate scooters so much, or do you guys really not understand the fundamentals of property law and common sense?
  - twtw 8y ago
    > you can move it off your property And where should I put it? I don't want it on the sidewalk, and I don't want it in mystreet. I can't put it in the trash because it's someone else's property. That's essentially what I meant by "anticipated solution." Note I never suggested it would become mine, so a good portion of your comment is responding to someone else. And I'm not sure who you are referring to by "you guys," but I can honestly say I have never before been in a situation prior to these scooters that someone just left their valuable stuff on my private property and I had to deal with it. Are there equivalents to towing companies I can call for random valuable crap that belongs to someone else?

test6554 8y ago

Yea, people who know of property rights can get pretty disgusted at people who don't.

vanderZwan 8y ago

See my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18890622 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18890622

twtw 8y ago

> You can't just steal bikes because they've been left on public land What is the anticipated solution when you leave your bike on my private land? I've seen loads of bird scooters left on private property, and I don't see what the property owners are supposed to do. Call the police every time?

notatoad 8y ago
If somebody has abandoned their property on your property and you want it gone, you can move it off your property. But it still doesn't become yours, and you definitely don't need to call the police about it. Going back to the car analogy, if i park my car in your private parking lot, you can have it towed. It doesn't become your car. Same with a bike - you can move it off your property, but you can't steal it, because that would be stealing. Is there some sort of mental block happening here where people are forgetting how the world works because they hate scooters so much, or do you guys really not understand the fundamentals of property law and common sense?
- twtw 8y ago
  > you can move it off your property And where should I put it? I don't want it on the sidewalk, and I don't want it in mystreet. I can't put it in the trash because it's someone else's property. That's essentially what I meant by "anticipated solution." Note I never suggested it would become mine, so a good portion of your comment is responding to someone else. And I'm not sure who you are referring to by "you guys," but I can honestly say I have never before been in a situation prior to these scooters that someone just left their valuable stuff on my private property and I had to deal with it. Are there equivalents to towing companies I can call for random valuable crap that belongs to someone else?