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It's not even the words themselves, it's the deeper implication He's using the white supremacist's own racism against themselves. "Reading the deeper implicati

It's not even the words themselves, it's the deeper implication He's using the white supremacist's own racism against themselves. "Reading the deeper implication" has many likely interpretations of Sargon's internal mental state that are both non-racist and racist. That's quite far from "manifest observable behavior" Patreon claims in their TOS. They just have to cut off a father's income just before Christmas for a counter-troll on an obscure fringe live-stream from 10 months back? An organization making that much of a stretch is showing its hand. (Again, I don't approve of Sargon's language. It was definitely a mistake for him to say such a thing.) I see this as no different from a TV network firing a host Then how is it that someone did a search of Patreon's site and turned up tons of n-word occurrences? How is it that Patreon continues to fund groups that seem to encourage violence? If Patreon is reaching that far in Sargon's case to "protect their brand" yet have so many skeletons like that, so easily found, I highly doubt that "protecting their brand" is their actual underlying motivation. In any case, Patreon is a conduit for payment, not a network. Perhaps they're pivoting, but from where I stand, it's completely the wrong move. They've severely damaged their standing as a means of paying creators.

alasdair_ 8y ago
>Then how is it that someone did a search of Patreon's site and turned up tons of n-word occurrences? Because these people don't matter to Patreon. >How is it that Patreon continues to fund groups that seem to encourage violence? Because these people don't matter to Patreon. >If Patreon is reaching that far in Sargon's case to "protect their brand" yet have so many skeletons like that, so easily found, I highly doubt that "protecting their brand" is their actual underlying motivation. It likely IS their motivation (or the more general motivation of making money anyway). Someone did some math and realized that continuing to give this person money will, on balance, be more harmful than not giving this person money. That really is the extent of it all. No one at Patreon likely gives a shit about the guy except that he is too controversial compared to the amount of money he makes them. Let's say Patreon makes 10% of the revenue this guy brings in. $15,000 is such an irrelevant amount compared to the amount of harm that continuing to support this guy monetarily could potentially cause that it would be insane to continue to bother sending him any money.
- stcredzero 8y ago
  It likely IS their motivation (or the more general motivation of making money anyway). Then this is an even more disturbing thing. If "protecting their brand" means they have to act as if Sargon of Akkad is something -- contrary to the facts -- because activists and media have pushed a narrative, but they don't have to do anything about actual incidences of the n-word and groups possibly funding actual violence, then the narrative means all and facts mean nothing. There is some group of people who has been corrupted by power and is abusing power. Nothing to do with identity here, but everything to do with socioeconomic power controlling information.
  - alasdair_ 8y ago
    >the narrative means all and facts mean nothing. Few things are as binary as this. But yes, narrative matters, as well as facts. Narrative built on a complete lack of facts is more difficult to sustain that that which is based on some facts. Still, the $15,000 or so this dude makes for Patreon (at most!) is likely not worth the hassle of keeping him around.
    - stcredzero 8y ago
      Apparently, neither is their appearance of honesty, fairness, and transparency.

alasdair_ 8y ago

>Then how is it that someone did a search of Patreon's site and turned up tons of n-word occurrences? Because these people don't matter to Patreon. >How is it that Patreon continues to fund groups that seem to encourage violence? Because these people don't matter to Patreon. >If Patreon is reaching that far in Sargon's case to "protect their brand" yet have so many skeletons like that, so easily found, I highly doubt that "protecting their brand" is their actual underlying motivation. It likely IS their motivation (or the more general motivation of making money anyway). Someone did some math and realized that continuing to give this person money will, on balance, be more harmful than not giving this person money. That really is the extent of it all. No one at Patreon likely gives a shit about the guy except that he is too controversial compared to the amount of money he makes them. Let's say Patreon makes 10% of the revenue this guy brings in. $15,000 is such an irrelevant amount compared to the amount of harm that continuing to support this guy monetarily could potentially cause that it would be insane to continue to bother sending him any money.

stcredzero 8y ago
It likely IS their motivation (or the more general motivation of making money anyway). Then this is an even more disturbing thing. If "protecting their brand" means they have to act as if Sargon of Akkad is something -- contrary to the facts -- because activists and media have pushed a narrative, but they don't have to do anything about actual incidences of the n-word and groups possibly funding actual violence, then the narrative means all and facts mean nothing. There is some group of people who has been corrupted by power and is abusing power. Nothing to do with identity here, but everything to do with socioeconomic power controlling information.
- alasdair_ 8y ago
  >the narrative means all and facts mean nothing. Few things are as binary as this. But yes, narrative matters, as well as facts. Narrative built on a complete lack of facts is more difficult to sustain that that which is based on some facts. Still, the $15,000 or so this dude makes for Patreon (at most!) is likely not worth the hassle of keeping him around.
  - stcredzero 8y ago
    Apparently, neither is their appearance of honesty, fairness, and transparency.