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I was wrong about Google and Facebook: there’s nothing wrong with them

30 points by bellinom 8y ago

stevespang 8y ago
We need more people like you and your team to EXPOSE all the scam deals
vertline3 8y ago
He's like Cassandra, fore-telling, but no one is listening. Hard to fight against a mountain. I suppose Google and the rest would be the trojan horse?
- phoe-krk 8y ago
  Except it's already been welcomed into Troy ages ago and the Greeks have been spilling out of it for a long time.
humanetech 8y ago
This really shows the power of money, size and market dominance, and on the consumer side of course the power of the business model of providing 'free' products and services. Convenience, network effects, FOMO, and very little awareness of what the dangers and capabilities of progressing surveillance capitalism now and in the future are, or the impact of (big) tech on society. There are hopeful trends, but it is a David against Goliath fight, going back and forth and really slowly.
humanetech 8y ago
Reference to Mastodon discussion on the article: https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/101399355594255147 https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/101399355594255147
F-0X 8y ago
I don't find his arguments convincing at all. The appearance of supporting privacy is not mutually exclusive with invasive behaviour internally, and records - even if supposedly kept private - is still potentially vulnerable to being hacked/leaked. The problem is they collect data to sell as this is literally their business, while true privacy is only achieved when personal data is not collected.
- libeclipse 8y ago
  Um The appearance of supporting privacy may not be mutually exclusive with openly invasive behavior, but actually supporting privacy is. I don't see the point you're trying to make but it seems as though your stance is that it's OK for X to appear to support privacy while actually invading it?? "True privacy" isn't the concern here. Data breaches and hacks are a security issue, this is an ethical one.
libeclipse 8y ago
Comment from a Mozilla developer: I enjoyed this, well done! I’m just speaking for myself (but I know many of my colleagues agree) when I say that I don’t feel great about the source of our revenue. That being said, developing a rendering engine is very expensive (apparently even too expensive for Microsoft) and I’m not sure what the alternative is. Ironically, every time we do try to diversify (pocket, directory tiles, snippets etc), there is an even bigger backlash than the one about Google. :: https://lobste.rs/s/b6jkt4/i_was_wrong_about_google_facebook_theres#c_mlem5e https://lobste.rs/s/b6jkt4/i_was_wrong_about_google_facebook...

30 points by bellinom 8y ago

We need more people like you and your team to EXPOSE all the scam deals

He's like Cassandra, fore-telling, but no one is listening. Hard to fight against a mountain. I suppose Google and the rest would be the trojan horse?

phoe-krk 8y ago
Except it's already been welcomed into Troy ages ago and the Greeks have been spilling out of it for a long time.

humanetech 8y ago

This really shows the power of money, size and market dominance, and on the consumer side of course the power of the business model of providing 'free' products and services. Convenience, network effects, FOMO, and very little awareness of what the dangers and capabilities of progressing surveillance capitalism now and in the future are, or the impact of (big) tech on society. There are hopeful trends, but it is a David against Goliath fight, going back and forth and really slowly.

humanetech 8y ago

Reference to Mastodon discussion on the article: https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/101399355594255147 https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/101399355594255147

F-0X 8y ago

I don't find his arguments convincing at all. The appearance of supporting privacy is not mutually exclusive with invasive behaviour internally, and records - even if supposedly kept private - is still potentially vulnerable to being hacked/leaked. The problem is they collect data to sell as this is literally their business, while true privacy is only achieved when personal data is not collected.

libeclipse 8y ago
Um The appearance of supporting privacy may not be mutually exclusive with openly invasive behavior, but actually supporting privacy is. I don't see the point you're trying to make but it seems as though your stance is that it's OK for X to appear to support privacy while actually invading it?? "True privacy" isn't the concern here. Data breaches and hacks are a security issue, this is an ethical one.

libeclipse 8y ago

Comment from a Mozilla developer: I enjoyed this, well done! I’m just speaking for myself (but I know many of my colleagues agree) when I say that I don’t feel great about the source of our revenue. That being said, developing a rendering engine is very expensive (apparently even too expensive for Microsoft) and I’m not sure what the alternative is. Ironically, every time we do try to diversify (pocket, directory tiles, snippets etc), there is an even bigger backlash than the one about Google. :: https://lobste.rs/s/b6jkt4/i_was_wrong_about_google_facebook_theres#c_mlem5e https://lobste.rs/s/b6jkt4/i_was_wrong_about_google_facebook...