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"In order to regain freedom and control over the digital aspects of our lives" Nothing proves his point more than: <script src="//www.google-analytics.com/a
by StreamBright 8y ago
"In order to regain freedom and control over the digital aspects of our lives"
Nothing proves his point more than:
<script src="//www.google-analytics.com/analytics.js...
- crankylinuxuser 8y agoThis feels like the same argument: "Al Gore claims he's an environmentalist, yet he flies using his personal gas guzzling plane." And yeah, it's an ad hominem. "Is a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument" You can most definitely use centralized servers to disseminate decentralization. I'm pretty sure https://ipfs.io https://ipfs.io started as a github project and on a monolithic server backed by cloudflare. That doesn't dismiss them in the least - considering they now heavily dogfood.
- rubenverborgh 8y agoMore specifically a Tu quoque / appeal to hypocrisy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque :-)
- Perceptes 8y agoThanks for sharing this! I wasn't aware of this term and it's very relevant to another topic I often discuss. It'll be very useful to me. :}
- naravara 8y agoIt's like Lenin said: “The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.”
- earthboundkid 8y agoAnd Disqus comments, which are also pretty surveillance spammy.
- rubenverborgh 8y agoHow does running analytics on my site impair my ability to talk about what Tim Berners-Lee wants to do for freedom and control? ;-) Yes, I track how popular what content is on my site. Motivates me to write more. Please feel free to block trackers; I do that as well.
- amiga-workbench 8y agoHave you considered Piwik or a similar self hosted analytics solution? I don't care if people run Analytics, its just when they go sharing all that data with a third party that it gets troubling.
- rubenverborgh 8y agoYes, I urgently need to migrate; same with Disqus, needs to become Solid.
- rapnie 8y agoPS. It is called Matomo now and at https://matomo.org https://matomo.org
- diminoten 8y agoIt undermines your argument, is what it does. You can talk about it all you want, but as long as you continue to participate in the very thing you rail against, you're going to struggle to be taken seriously.
- rubenverborgh 8y agoThat's not at all how argumentation works :-) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18886753 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18886753
- diminoten 8y agoThat's exactly how argumentation works...
- cortesoft 8y agoHow is that not freedom? Each site owner has the freedom to use google analytics or not, no one forces them to. And each user has the ability to block requests to google analytics if they want, or avoid sites that use it.
- ken 8y agoHow am I supposed to know that any particular domain is used for analytics, versus core functionality? How am I supposed to know what scripts a webpage loads, before viewing it? > "But look, you found the notice, didn't you?" "Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard.'"
- cortesoft 8y agoI am curious to how this could be solved. I mean, i guess you could have your browser ask before every request generated for a page, but that seems very cumbersome.
- kkarakk 8y agoapps do it on first install, why shouldn't browsers do it on a website's first launch?
- zbentley 8y ago> why shouldn't browsers do it on a website's first launch? Because users would riot, and would use browsers or plugins that suppressed these notifications.
- IggleSniggle 8y agoI would love it, personally! And websites would riot, and then reduce the number of permissions they requested, just like apps do/did.