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I'll choose the US, which for all its faults has a much better human rights record than China. Political opponents aren't jailed, there are no reeducation camps

I'll choose the US, which for all its faults has a much better human rights record than China. Political opponents aren't jailed, there are no reeducation camps for minority groups (like Muslims.) Business isn't done through constant bribing of officials (which is very popular in China.) Etc, etc. Were it not for trade empowering the Chinese political class, China would be a hermit state like North Korea.

devoply 8y ago
The human rights records is a p/r gambit which is mostly bullshit. The US violates human rights of all sorts of people all over the world all of the time. They just treat their own citizens with a certain amount of courtesy. > there are no reeducation camps for minority groups (like Muslims.) No there are just bombings and complete destruction of various Muslim countries that don't go with the economic agenda of the US.
- IllogicalLogic 8y ago
  Didn't the US just finish murdering about 2+ million Arabs over the last decade or so, I bet the dead Iraqis, Syrians, Yemenis would rather be in "history lesson camps" in China.
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IllogicalLogic 8y ago
"Business isn't done through constant bribing of officials" Are we just going to ignore the quid pro quo that comes with lobbying/campaign contributions, etc... We've basically legalized bribery in the US in many ways and our definition of corruption is so narrow that most of the corruption taking place does not get flagged. In China OTOH, my understanding is that Xi will put you in jail for corruption (points to the 1000s of Chinese politicians in jail).
- dang 8y ago
  Would you please stop posting unsubstantive comments to Hacker News? We ban accounts that do this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - IllogicalLogic 8y ago
    Thanks for reminding me Dang. I'll stay within the guidelines.
dang 8y ago
Nationalistic flamewar is not welcome on HN, so please don't take HN threads further into it. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18886501 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18886501 and marked it off-topic.

devoply 8y ago

The human rights records is a p/r gambit which is mostly bullshit. The US violates human rights of all sorts of people all over the world all of the time. They just treat their own citizens with a certain amount of courtesy. > there are no reeducation camps for minority groups (like Muslims.) No there are just bombings and complete destruction of various Muslim countries that don't go with the economic agenda of the US.

IllogicalLogic 8y ago
Didn't the US just finish murdering about 2+ million Arabs over the last decade or so, I bet the dead Iraqis, Syrians, Yemenis would rather be in "history lesson camps" in China.
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IllogicalLogic 8y ago

"Business isn't done through constant bribing of officials" Are we just going to ignore the quid pro quo that comes with lobbying/campaign contributions, etc... We've basically legalized bribery in the US in many ways and our definition of corruption is so narrow that most of the corruption taking place does not get flagged. In China OTOH, my understanding is that Xi will put you in jail for corruption (points to the 1000s of Chinese politicians in jail).

dang 8y ago
Would you please stop posting unsubstantive comments to Hacker News? We ban accounts that do this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- IllogicalLogic 8y ago
  Thanks for reminding me Dang. I'll stay within the guidelines.

dang 8y ago

Nationalistic flamewar is not welcome on HN, so please don't take HN threads further into it. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18886501 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18886501 and marked it off-topic.