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Interesting. Why do you see European spying operations as more impactful to your daily life than Chinese?

IllogicalLogic 8y ago
China doesn't go around the world arresting people who haven't even visited their country... in Assange's case on the other hand the US...
- DeonPenny 8y ago
  Yeh but they have in Vietnam and other countries they sphere of influence is just small.
  - IllogicalLogic 8y ago
    Framing it as "influence" is wrong imo. History points to the Chinese having less interest in this power than western countries. My understanding is that China has aided Vietnam in arresting criminals the Vietnamese government is after. Do you have an example of what you stated?
    - T-A 8y ago
      https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-overseas-abductions-1454633130 https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-overseas-abductions-1454... https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/29/the-disappeared-china-renditions-kidnapping/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/29/the-disappeared-china-r...
- save_ferris 8y ago
  In his lifetime, Assange has hacked the Pentagon, US Navy telcom systems, other DoD infrastructure, Lockheed Martin, Panasonic, and others through a hacking group he founded[0]. That's not even including Wikileaks and his suspected ties to the Russian government. Combine that with the fact that most countries carry extradition treaties, it's not all that surprising that the US wants him. He's committed a litany of crimes in his lifetime against foreign countries, and often bragged about it. Why is it crazy to you that a foreign country wants to detain someone that has hacked said country's critical military infrastructure and participated in information laundering that potentially impacted a US presidential election? [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange
  - IllogicalLogic 8y ago
    He was initially pursued for exposing war crimes in Iraq involving the US army and Reuter's journalists. Everything else was seemingly tacked on after the fact.
lazyjones 8y ago
> Why do you see European spying operations as more impactful to your daily life than Chinese? Because I have no interest in Chinese politics, don't support any dissidents there and it's unlikely that they'll be interested in what I think, vote or support financially. Not so with the European/US spying operations, when you e.g. support Assange, are opposed to US meddling in the ME, agree with right-wing positions in Europe, are opposed to sanctions against Russia etc. ...

China doesn't go around the world arresting people who haven't even visited their country... in Assange's case on the other hand the US...

DeonPenny 8y ago
Yeh but they have in Vietnam and other countries they sphere of influence is just small.
- IllogicalLogic 8y ago
  Framing it as "influence" is wrong imo. History points to the Chinese having less interest in this power than western countries. My understanding is that China has aided Vietnam in arresting criminals the Vietnamese government is after. Do you have an example of what you stated?
  - T-A 8y ago
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-overseas-abductions-1454633130 https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-overseas-abductions-1454... https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/29/the-disappeared-china-renditions-kidnapping/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/03/29/the-disappeared-china-r...
save_ferris 8y ago
In his lifetime, Assange has hacked the Pentagon, US Navy telcom systems, other DoD infrastructure, Lockheed Martin, Panasonic, and others through a hacking group he founded[0]. That's not even including Wikileaks and his suspected ties to the Russian government. Combine that with the fact that most countries carry extradition treaties, it's not all that surprising that the US wants him. He's committed a litany of crimes in his lifetime against foreign countries, and often bragged about it. Why is it crazy to you that a foreign country wants to detain someone that has hacked said country's critical military infrastructure and participated in information laundering that potentially impacted a US presidential election? [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange
- IllogicalLogic 8y ago
  He was initially pursued for exposing war crimes in Iraq involving the US army and Reuter's journalists. Everything else was seemingly tacked on after the fact.

lazyjones 8y ago

> Why do you see European spying operations as more impactful to your daily life than Chinese? Because I have no interest in Chinese politics, don't support any dissidents there and it's unlikely that they'll be interested in what I think, vote or support financially. Not so with the European/US spying operations, when you e.g. support Assange, are opposed to US meddling in the ME, agree with right-wing positions in Europe, are opposed to sanctions against Russia etc. ...