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Node.JS and Joyent Agreement

54 points by rafaelc 16y ago

bhiggins 16y ago
why would anyone want to be the next php?
- tswicegood 16y ago
  Because it's deployed on nearly every web server and has ubiquity. If you're building a web app and you want people to be able to run, chances are good if you build it in PHP, people can run it. Would be nice to say the same thing about server-side JS.
- mcs 16y ago
  Because nobody wants to be the next Rails.
  - guns 16y ago
    I think I'm lost on the joke; nobody wants to be the next overhyped (and polarizing) framework that is beloved by a large niche of programmers and launches a new segment of the industry? Care to clue me in? (being honest; maybe I missed some news recently)
    - bhiggins 16y ago
      php sucks
- subbu 16y ago
  I think he means Ubiquity when he refers PHP. Not necessarily technical.
- bryanwb 16y ago
  because it is a cinch for sysadmins like me to support in a bureaucratic IT environment
siculars 16y ago
Maturity is a good thing.
dasil003 16y ago
Is Joyent any good? I was one of the original "VC"s on TextDrive where they sold a lifetime account for $400 back in '04. For the two years I tried to use that account there was a never ending string of technical problems that was swept under the rug by a rabid fanboy contingent in the forums. It left such a bad taste in my mouth that even today I doubt their technical competence even though their platform is completely different.
- ubernostrum 16y ago
  The early days (I remember you!) were pretty rough, yeah. Since they switched everything to Solaris, though, it's all been seemingly rock-solid. Only thing is that I really don't use that big lifetime VPS I have with them (still use the shared-hosting account for some static file stuff and side projects though), because I hate adminning Solaris... :(
- haploid 16y ago
  "Good" is subjective. I've had a 1GB accelerator with them basically forever. Here are a few points. 1. Their pricing is absurdly high, as cloud providers go. They are roughly double for equivalent* offerings. * = "equivalent" is tough to qualify, since hardly anybody offers solaris zones. 2. They don't seem to have much interest in migrating exiting customers over to their "my joyent" self-provisioning system. 3. They have been delivering 100% availability since I've been with them, which is going on 3 years now. I've never experienced this with any other provider, ever. 4. Performance is better than I would have expected.
- jread 16y ago
  We've been using their Smart Javascript Platform (based on SpiderMonkey) for the past year. They are supposed to be migrating that platform to Node.js soon. The last outage we had was 236 days ago. Our current uptime for the past year is 99.968%. We also began using Smart Machines 3 months ago in Emeryville, CA and Andover, MA data centers and so far have 99.999% availability on those. http://www.joyent.com/technology/smartplatform/ http://www.joyent.com/technology/smartplatform/
tlrobinson 16y ago
Great move by Joyent. I just hope Ryan got a fair deal here.
jherdman 16y ago
I'm really not sure how I feel about this. I've been churning it over and over in my mind since I heard about this via the grapevine whilst in my favourite bar tonight. The only thing I've left with thinking is this: for better or worse, Node is the most successful CommonJS platform available today. Server-side JS should thrive, but I'm not sure Node is the thing to do it. Node, to me, feels like it's the thing that JavaScript the language should be on the client-side; JavaScript on the server-side is beholden to the slow pace of the client-side and is not developing the things it needs, at the pace it needs. I can't help but feel that JavaScript is the wrong match for this. Maybe Clojure is better. Maybe something else is. I just can't ignore this gut feeling that thing isn't write with this picture.
- supersillyus 16y ago
  What bars do you go to where people discuss server-side javascript frameworks?
- richcollins 16y ago
  What specific issues do you have with Javascript?

54 points by rafaelc 16y ago

bhiggins 16y ago

why would anyone want to be the next php?

tswicegood 16y ago
Because it's deployed on nearly every web server and has ubiquity. If you're building a web app and you want people to be able to run, chances are good if you build it in PHP, people can run it. Would be nice to say the same thing about server-side JS.
mcs 16y ago
Because nobody wants to be the next Rails.
- guns 16y ago
  I think I'm lost on the joke; nobody wants to be the next overhyped (and polarizing) framework that is beloved by a large niche of programmers and launches a new segment of the industry? Care to clue me in? (being honest; maybe I missed some news recently)
  - bhiggins 16y ago
    php sucks
subbu 16y ago
I think he means Ubiquity when he refers PHP. Not necessarily technical.
bryanwb 16y ago
because it is a cinch for sysadmins like me to support in a bureaucratic IT environment

siculars 16y ago

Maturity is a good thing.

dasil003 16y ago

Is Joyent any good? I was one of the original "VC"s on TextDrive where they sold a lifetime account for $400 back in '04. For the two years I tried to use that account there was a never ending string of technical problems that was swept under the rug by a rabid fanboy contingent in the forums. It left such a bad taste in my mouth that even today I doubt their technical competence even though their platform is completely different.

ubernostrum 16y ago
The early days (I remember you!) were pretty rough, yeah. Since they switched everything to Solaris, though, it's all been seemingly rock-solid. Only thing is that I really don't use that big lifetime VPS I have with them (still use the shared-hosting account for some static file stuff and side projects though), because I hate adminning Solaris... :(
haploid 16y ago
"Good" is subjective. I've had a 1GB accelerator with them basically forever. Here are a few points. 1. Their pricing is absurdly high, as cloud providers go. They are roughly double for equivalent* offerings. * = "equivalent" is tough to qualify, since hardly anybody offers solaris zones. 2. They don't seem to have much interest in migrating exiting customers over to their "my joyent" self-provisioning system. 3. They have been delivering 100% availability since I've been with them, which is going on 3 years now. I've never experienced this with any other provider, ever. 4. Performance is better than I would have expected.
jread 16y ago
We've been using their Smart Javascript Platform (based on SpiderMonkey) for the past year. They are supposed to be migrating that platform to Node.js soon. The last outage we had was 236 days ago. Our current uptime for the past year is 99.968%. We also began using Smart Machines 3 months ago in Emeryville, CA and Andover, MA data centers and so far have 99.999% availability on those. http://www.joyent.com/technology/smartplatform/ http://www.joyent.com/technology/smartplatform/

tlrobinson 16y ago

Great move by Joyent. I just hope Ryan got a fair deal here.

jherdman 16y ago

I'm really not sure how I feel about this. I've been churning it over and over in my mind since I heard about this via the grapevine whilst in my favourite bar tonight. The only thing I've left with thinking is this: for better or worse, Node is the most successful CommonJS platform available today. Server-side JS should thrive, but I'm not sure Node is the thing to do it. Node, to me, feels like it's the thing that JavaScript the language should be on the client-side; JavaScript on the server-side is beholden to the slow pace of the client-side and is not developing the things it needs, at the pace it needs. I can't help but feel that JavaScript is the wrong match for this. Maybe Clojure is better. Maybe something else is. I just can't ignore this gut feeling that thing isn't write with this picture.

supersillyus 16y ago
What bars do you go to where people discuss server-side javascript frameworks?
richcollins 16y ago
What specific issues do you have with Javascript?