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So what? We have a separate bar for alcoholics? We ban alcohol? What are you saying? Great, I get it, you have empathy...but, ultimately, if you are an alcohol

So what? We have a separate bar for alcoholics? We ban alcohol? What are you saying? Great, I get it, you have empathy...but, ultimately, if you are an alcoholic you can't avoid people drinking alcohol and trying to avoid things generally isn't a long-term sustainable strategy

darkpuma 8y ago
Putting a few buckets around the place with ice and bottled water probably isn't too unreasonable. I think most people would appreciate that, not just the recovering alcoholics.
eesmith 8y ago
What gwbas1c is saying is that your question reveals that you did not really understand the linked-to article. Much of what you write is either addressed or irrelevant. You question - twice now - if the proposal or solution to the problem is to ban alcohol. Literally no one in the article says that, including the recovering alcoholic. For example, "These scholars don't want everyone to become teetotalers, or for conferences to ban alcohol altogether. They just want to be able to tackle the social labors of being an academic without the expectation to imbibe." The recovering alcoholic also says she doesn't care if others drink at the conference. You also only focus on the problems of alcoholics, when the article also talks about people with religious and medical reasons for not drinking. For example, if a woman is not drinking, then (as the article points out) some people might assume that she is pregnant. I can totally see how this might influence, say, a hiring decision if the potential employer believes a woman is pregnant so wouldn't be able to teach in the upcoming term. (That would be illegal, but very unlikely to be caught out.) You write "I get it, you have empathy". What these scholars want is for everyone, including you, to have empathy. Quoting from the article: Pearl isn't arguing that there shouldn't be any alcohol-related events, she said. She just wishes people would "be a little more attentive to what kinds of spaces we are creating, and who's being excluded." The closest there is to a demand is the proposal that "not every moment of community would be structured around the consumption of alcohol". Finally, the alcoholic we are talking about has developed long-term sustainable strategies, like "Buddies fetch nonalcoholic drinks so she doesn't have to approach the bar herself."

darkpuma 8y ago

Putting a few buckets around the place with ice and bottled water probably isn't too unreasonable. I think most people would appreciate that, not just the recovering alcoholics.

eesmith 8y ago

What gwbas1c is saying is that your question reveals that you did not really understand the linked-to article. Much of what you write is either addressed or irrelevant. You question - twice now - if the proposal or solution to the problem is to ban alcohol. Literally no one in the article says that, including the recovering alcoholic. For example, "These scholars don't want everyone to become teetotalers, or for conferences to ban alcohol altogether. They just want to be able to tackle the social labors of being an academic without the expectation to imbibe." The recovering alcoholic also says she doesn't care if others drink at the conference. You also only focus on the problems of alcoholics, when the article also talks about people with religious and medical reasons for not drinking. For example, if a woman is not drinking, then (as the article points out) some people might assume that she is pregnant. I can totally see how this might influence, say, a hiring decision if the potential employer believes a woman is pregnant so wouldn't be able to teach in the upcoming term. (That would be illegal, but very unlikely to be caught out.) You write "I get it, you have empathy". What these scholars want is for everyone, including you, to have empathy. Quoting from the article: Pearl isn't arguing that there shouldn't be any alcohol-related events, she said. She just wishes people would "be a little more attentive to what kinds of spaces we are creating, and who's being excluded." The closest there is to a demand is the proposal that "not every moment of community would be structured around the consumption of alcohol". Finally, the alcoholic we are talking about has developed long-term sustainable strategies, like "Buddies fetch nonalcoholic drinks so she doesn't have to approach the bar herself."