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Yikes, this is looking pretty bad: "Rubin was also 'alleged to have engaged in human sex trafficking': in an October 2018 lawsuit brought by his ex-wife, Rie R

Yikes, this is looking pretty bad: "Rubin was also 'alleged to have engaged in human sex trafficking': in an October 2018 lawsuit brought by his ex-wife, Rie Rubin, she claimed that Andy Rubin had multiple 'ownership relationships' with several highly paid women. In text messages produced in that case, Andy Rubin allegedly claimed that he could 'loan' these women as they were 'kinda like… my property.'"

sergers 8y ago
sounds like master-slave/sub-dom relationship. it could be related to sex trafficking, or more likely just had some fetishes with willing participants.
- mc32 8y ago
  There was an advocate for DA/DV victims in SF who surprisingly engaged in BDSM. He got caught putting ads on Craigslist. A couple of his “mistresses” accused him of beating them. Edit, it was a labor lawyer[1] In any event, says he it was consensual. Charges later dropped. [1]https://abc7news.com/archive/8337736/ https://abc7news.com/archive/8337736/
  - ksherlock 8y ago
    I assume you mean "Domestic Abuse/Domestic Violence"... DVDA is also a sex term involving one girl and 4 guys. Hard to tell from the context!
- droopyEyelids 8y ago
  Seems like most people who own slaves could probably force the slaves to say it was consensual.
  - jerf 8y ago
    A dedicated, authorized investigator can probably work the difference out really quickly (literally in seconds in most cases, I would imagine, as soon as they speak to the "slave"), but, by contrast, there's pretty much no data we can obtain in this debate (other than a report by an authorized investigator) that will allow us to tell the difference from here.
    - ggggtez 8y ago
      For better or worse, paying for sex is illegal in most places regardless of consent. The law does not have a carve out for consensual slavery either. The state can decide any consent to participate in an illegal arrangement was cohersed.
      - mc32 8y ago
        That’s an interesting take, has that ever resulted in a conviction you know of?
      - pjc50 8y ago
        > paying for sex is illegal in most places regardless of consent Surprisingly, it isn't in most places: criminalising it is the "Nordic model" and not widespread. It's things around prostitution that are criminalised (advertising, running a brothel, pimping etc)
fred_is_fred 8y ago
This is literally what pimping is. Andy was acting as a pimp.
- burgerboy 8y ago
  No it isn't lol

sergers 8y ago

sounds like master-slave/sub-dom relationship. it could be related to sex trafficking, or more likely just had some fetishes with willing participants.

mc32 8y ago
There was an advocate for DA/DV victims in SF who surprisingly engaged in BDSM. He got caught putting ads on Craigslist. A couple of his “mistresses” accused him of beating them. Edit, it was a labor lawyer[1] In any event, says he it was consensual. Charges later dropped. [1]https://abc7news.com/archive/8337736/ https://abc7news.com/archive/8337736/
- ksherlock 8y ago
  I assume you mean "Domestic Abuse/Domestic Violence"... DVDA is also a sex term involving one girl and 4 guys. Hard to tell from the context!
droopyEyelids 8y ago
Seems like most people who own slaves could probably force the slaves to say it was consensual.
- jerf 8y ago
  A dedicated, authorized investigator can probably work the difference out really quickly (literally in seconds in most cases, I would imagine, as soon as they speak to the "slave"), but, by contrast, there's pretty much no data we can obtain in this debate (other than a report by an authorized investigator) that will allow us to tell the difference from here.
  - ggggtez 8y ago
    For better or worse, paying for sex is illegal in most places regardless of consent. The law does not have a carve out for consensual slavery either. The state can decide any consent to participate in an illegal arrangement was cohersed.
    - mc32 8y ago
      That’s an interesting take, has that ever resulted in a conviction you know of?
    - pjc50 8y ago
      > paying for sex is illegal in most places regardless of consent Surprisingly, it isn't in most places: criminalising it is the "Nordic model" and not widespread. It's things around prostitution that are criminalised (advertising, running a brothel, pimping etc)

fred_is_fred 8y ago

This is literally what pimping is. Andy was acting as a pimp.

burgerboy 8y ago
No it isn't lol