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> Most modern jets are worse in key ways than the 767. More freaks and rattles during take off and landing What a weird comment. Probably the reason you think

by sho 8y ago

> Most modern jets are worse in key ways than the 767. More freaks and rattles during take off and landing What a weird comment. Probably the reason you think modern aircraft have more "creaks and rattles" than older ones is that their engines are so much quieter you can actually hear some minor rattling of the cabin fitout on bumpy runways. I've been an avgeek my whole life and while I'm nostalgic for the old planes, I don't think I could ever delude myself into thinking they're in any way "better". Turns out the manufacturers, and the airlines, and the passengers, agree. The 777 is my favourite too - from the outside. Tell me I have to spend 12 hours inside the damn thing though and I'll choose an a350 - or a b787 - every time.

rayiner 8y ago
I don’t know if passengers agree. I go out of my way to take a 777 for international travel over a 787. But the latter is a lot more fuel efficient, which is why airlines prefer them.
- sho 8y ago
  Well, I suppose I would sometimes as well, but that's to do with airline seating choices more than anything else. Emirates has 10-across economy in its 777s - no thanks! Whereas Cathay stuck with 9, which is way better. Meanwhile a Qantas 787 is pretty nice to ride in, but a Jetstar or Scoot is cramped as hell. Noise cancelling headphones pretty much remove the noise issue for me. You're right though, I over-generalised saying all passenger prefer newer planes all of the time - they don't. What they emphatically do prefer, however, is point to point flights - which the new generations of planes open up. Bigger planes like the 777s and above are in many ways a relic of the hub and spoke system, with its multiple transfers and 24hr+ flight times. I'm sad to see the big planes reduced in importance, but newcomers like the 787, a350 and even a321 render a lot more city pairs economically viable. For this reason they're far more versatile an investment for the airliners, and passengers choose direct every time if the price is reasonable.

by sho 8y ago

rayiner 8y ago

I don’t know if passengers agree. I go out of my way to take a 777 for international travel over a 787. But the latter is a lot more fuel efficient, which is why airlines prefer them.

sho 8y ago
Well, I suppose I would sometimes as well, but that's to do with airline seating choices more than anything else. Emirates has 10-across economy in its 777s - no thanks! Whereas Cathay stuck with 9, which is way better. Meanwhile a Qantas 787 is pretty nice to ride in, but a Jetstar or Scoot is cramped as hell. Noise cancelling headphones pretty much remove the noise issue for me. You're right though, I over-generalised saying all passenger prefer newer planes all of the time - they don't. What they emphatically do prefer, however, is point to point flights - which the new generations of planes open up. Bigger planes like the 777s and above are in many ways a relic of the hub and spoke system, with its multiple transfers and 24hr+ flight times. I'm sad to see the big planes reduced in importance, but newcomers like the 787, a350 and even a321 render a lot more city pairs economically viable. For this reason they're far more versatile an investment for the airliners, and passengers choose direct every time if the price is reasonable.