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For your info: Hacker News being responsible for the data its users provide is not a problem for the users, it is a problem for Hacker News and similar platform

For your info: Hacker News being responsible for the data its users provide is not a problem for the users, it is a problem for Hacker News and similar platforms who leech off content from the general public for their own profit. Further for your info: Hacker News does not "need a filter lest you quote a sentence from some movie", it only needs to take responsibility of you commit copyright infringement by doing so. I’d happily let Hacker News go if it means other such platforms go with it.

yostrovs 8y ago
Are you sarcastic? It's often difficult to differentiate a Nazi from a nanny.
- dang 8y ago
  Please don't break the site guidelines regardless of how wrong another comment might be. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Y_Y 8y ago
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- c3o 8y ago
  This would indeed seem to be a copyright infringement in many EU member states. For example, in Germany it wouldn't fall under the quotation exception (no such thing as vague "fair use" here), since you aren't critically engaging with or commenting on the quote, which would be allowed – you just reproduced it. The movie studio could now hold HN liable. Well, except that HN is not under EU jurisdiction, so it could probably choose to ignore EU court decisions against it. Bigger platforms of course won't have that luxury, so they'd need to come up with some way of limiting or avoiding that liability... or maybe just blocking EU users.
  - toyg 8y ago
    > you aren't critically engaging with or commenting on the quote He's using the quote to make an unrelated point. This wouldn't be considered copyright infringement anywhere you have an impartial judiciary.
  - phissk 8y ago
    Your post, right here, discussing quote, makes this fair use.
    - c3o 8y ago
      True, I guess you could see "the comment thread" as the larger (collaborative) intellectual work within which the movie was quoted for illustrative purposes.
- meh2frdf 8y ago
  This is a very poor argument even under basic scrutiny.
Zak 8y ago
> I’d happily let Hacker News go if it means other such platforms go with it. Why? I'll take as a given that many platforms are profiting from copyrighted content uploaded by users, but I very much doubt that the copyright owners would secure any of those profits for themselves if the platforms in question were driven out of existence. Do you believe otherwise? If so, why?

yostrovs 8y ago

Are you sarcastic? It's often difficult to differentiate a Nazi from a nanny.

dang 8y ago
Please don't break the site guidelines regardless of how wrong another comment might be. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Y_Y 8y ago

PILATE: Hoo hoo hoo ho. The little wascal has spiwit. CENTURION: Has what, sir? PILATE: Spiwit. CENTURION: Yes. He did, sir. PILATE: No, no. Spiwit, siw. Um, bwavado. A touch of dewwing-do. CENTURION: Oh. Ahh, about eleven, sir. PILATE: So, you dare to waid us. BRIAN: To what, sir? PILATE: Stwike him, Centuwion, vewy woughly! slap

c3o 8y ago
This would indeed seem to be a copyright infringement in many EU member states. For example, in Germany it wouldn't fall under the quotation exception (no such thing as vague "fair use" here), since you aren't critically engaging with or commenting on the quote, which would be allowed – you just reproduced it. The movie studio could now hold HN liable. Well, except that HN is not under EU jurisdiction, so it could probably choose to ignore EU court decisions against it. Bigger platforms of course won't have that luxury, so they'd need to come up with some way of limiting or avoiding that liability... or maybe just blocking EU users.
- toyg 8y ago
  > you aren't critically engaging with or commenting on the quote He's using the quote to make an unrelated point. This wouldn't be considered copyright infringement anywhere you have an impartial judiciary.
- phissk 8y ago
  Your post, right here, discussing quote, makes this fair use.
  - c3o 8y ago
    True, I guess you could see "the comment thread" as the larger (collaborative) intellectual work within which the movie was quoted for illustrative purposes.
meh2frdf 8y ago
This is a very poor argument even under basic scrutiny.

Zak 8y ago

> I’d happily let Hacker News go if it means other such platforms go with it. Why? I'll take as a given that many platforms are profiting from copyrighted content uploaded by users, but I very much doubt that the copyright owners would secure any of those profits for themselves if the platforms in question were driven out of existence. Do you believe otherwise? If so, why?