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This seems like it will benefit the whales more than the fish, as they can absorb copyright infringement costs into their already expansive legal departments, w

This seems like it will benefit the whales more than the fish, as they can absorb copyright infringement costs into their already expansive legal departments, whereas a smaller company will likely go belly up or be chummed.

chrisweekly 8y ago
Kudos for the extended, non-mixed metaphor. I think it works!
akerro 8y ago
Same happened with GDPR, it brings profits only to bigger players. https://www.pymnts.com/news/security-and-risk/2018/gdpr-google-online-ads-data-privacy/ https://www.pymnts.com/news/security-and-risk/2018/gdpr-goog... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/apr/23/google-owner-alphabet-reports-earnings https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/apr/23/google-ow... https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/04/24/alphabet_q1_2018/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/04/24/alphabet_q1_2018/
ddxxdd 8y ago
The same can be said for every other EU law. Net neutrality regulations include vague language that allows "reasonable network management", which is a multi-million dollar legal hassle that stresses small ISP owners. And I shudder to think how Duck Duck Go's programmers will manage to comply with the EU's "right to be forgotten [from a search engine's results]". I hope the politicians in Washington, D.C. recognize that America is the world's last refuge for small business growth and economic innovation.
- Kiro 8y ago
  DDG can safely rely on Bing for that.
- ben_w 8y ago
  The EU doesn’t have net neutrality. I know this because I’ve seen offers which include zero-rating Netflix. America isn’t free from regulatory capture, despite being historically better at innovation than either my home nation or my nation of birth.
- rapind 8y ago
  I would imagine you'd be able to simply submit a domain to DDG, they would ask for a txt record or file to be present within the site, similar to a DNS verification tool. Then it would be queued up in a crawler for removal upon verification. Is there something I'm missing? If it's individual pages, then probably just a meta-tag? I think robots.txt could be leveraged for this though maybe.
  - Kiro 8y ago
    > Is there something I'm missing? Yes, they don't have their own crawler for regular websites. They get their organic search results from Bing and Oath.
    - rapind 8y ago
      I assume then that Bing will be responsible for this then (or if they won't then they'll need to find a new engine)
ThomPete 8y ago
This is exactly the ongoing problem with the EU they don't distinguish between large corporations and small businesses which really illustrate how clueless the EU is when it comes to the market and the businesses that are governed.
- toyg 8y ago
  The post explicitly mentions a clause that will make that distinction. The author argues it might be removed from the final text as part of the ongoing horse-trading, but at least it’s clear MEPs do understand the difference nowadays.
  - yostrovs 8y ago
    I don't understand the difference and where one would draw the line between small and large businesses. What about medium businesses?
    - ThomPete 8y ago
      Medium is part of small (SMBs')
  - ThomPete 8y ago
    If they did they wouldn't have implemented GDRP as it was. The very fact that it might be removed in a horse-trade illustrates my point.
    - toyg 8y ago
      That's just politics. It would be exactly the same at the national level.
      - ThomPete 8y ago
        That doesn't make it better. As far as I am aware the US does have rules that distinguish like that. Implementing regulations for every company as if they are the same is what is absurd here.
dmortin 8y ago
Just like adblockers. You can advocate using them, but they only help the big players, because Facebook and such can ask for subscriptions if needed and they can also afford implementing anti adblock measures. While small sites with a handful of staff, can't do that. People may subscribe for big sites like Facebook and Youtube , but they won't subscribe separately for a lots of small sites. So blocking ads helps eliminating the small guys while the whales can deal with it.
- kodablah 8y ago
  > You can advocate using them, but they only help the big players Not true, they also help the end users, who often get lost in these discussions of big-vs-small companies. Turns out these "whales" everyone is so anxious to target provide benefits to end users, who are often the ones that end up bearing the brunt of the pain.
SlowRobotAhead 8y ago
>This seems like it will benefit the whales more than the fish, Well, who do you think wrote it? Not the fish.

chrisweekly 8y ago

Kudos for the extended, non-mixed metaphor. I think it works!

akerro 8y ago

Same happened with GDPR, it brings profits only to bigger players. https://www.pymnts.com/news/security-and-risk/2018/gdpr-google-online-ads-data-privacy/ https://www.pymnts.com/news/security-and-risk/2018/gdpr-goog... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/apr/23/google-owner-alphabet-reports-earnings https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/apr/23/google-ow... https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/04/24/alphabet_q1_2018/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/04/24/alphabet_q1_2018/

ddxxdd 8y ago

The same can be said for every other EU law. Net neutrality regulations include vague language that allows "reasonable network management", which is a multi-million dollar legal hassle that stresses small ISP owners. And I shudder to think how Duck Duck Go's programmers will manage to comply with the EU's "right to be forgotten [from a search engine's results]". I hope the politicians in Washington, D.C. recognize that America is the world's last refuge for small business growth and economic innovation.

Kiro 8y ago
DDG can safely rely on Bing for that.
ben_w 8y ago
The EU doesn’t have net neutrality. I know this because I’ve seen offers which include zero-rating Netflix. America isn’t free from regulatory capture, despite being historically better at innovation than either my home nation or my nation of birth.
rapind 8y ago
I would imagine you'd be able to simply submit a domain to DDG, they would ask for a txt record or file to be present within the site, similar to a DNS verification tool. Then it would be queued up in a crawler for removal upon verification. Is there something I'm missing? If it's individual pages, then probably just a meta-tag? I think robots.txt could be leveraged for this though maybe.
- Kiro 8y ago
  > Is there something I'm missing? Yes, they don't have their own crawler for regular websites. They get their organic search results from Bing and Oath.
  - rapind 8y ago
    I assume then that Bing will be responsible for this then (or if they won't then they'll need to find a new engine)

ThomPete 8y ago

This is exactly the ongoing problem with the EU they don't distinguish between large corporations and small businesses which really illustrate how clueless the EU is when it comes to the market and the businesses that are governed.

toyg 8y ago
The post explicitly mentions a clause that will make that distinction. The author argues it might be removed from the final text as part of the ongoing horse-trading, but at least it’s clear MEPs do understand the difference nowadays.
- yostrovs 8y ago
  I don't understand the difference and where one would draw the line between small and large businesses. What about medium businesses?
  - ThomPete 8y ago
    Medium is part of small (SMBs')
- ThomPete 8y ago
  If they did they wouldn't have implemented GDRP as it was. The very fact that it might be removed in a horse-trade illustrates my point.
  - toyg 8y ago
    That's just politics. It would be exactly the same at the national level.
    - ThomPete 8y ago
      That doesn't make it better. As far as I am aware the US does have rules that distinguish like that. Implementing regulations for every company as if they are the same is what is absurd here.

dmortin 8y ago

Just like adblockers. You can advocate using them, but they only help the big players, because Facebook and such can ask for subscriptions if needed and they can also afford implementing anti adblock measures. While small sites with a handful of staff, can't do that. People may subscribe for big sites like Facebook and Youtube , but they won't subscribe separately for a lots of small sites. So blocking ads helps eliminating the small guys while the whales can deal with it.

kodablah 8y ago
> You can advocate using them, but they only help the big players Not true, they also help the end users, who often get lost in these discussions of big-vs-small companies. Turns out these "whales" everyone is so anxious to target provide benefits to end users, who are often the ones that end up bearing the brunt of the pain.

SlowRobotAhead 8y ago

>This seems like it will benefit the whales more than the fish, Well, who do you think wrote it? Not the fish.