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I disagree about HN being among the best for managing judgment. Down-voting requires X amount of karma but up-voting doesn't.

by Dowwie 8y ago

sokoloff 8y ago
I think that’s a key element to the success. It introduces an obvious upward bias in karma, but I don’t see that as a problem. For one, it prevents creating new accounts to downvote someone that pisses you off. For me personally, it means I downvote only for “adds absolutely nothing and is somehow harmful to HN community”. I probably upvote : downvote at 20:1 or greater. When deciding if a comment voting system is good or bad, I look heavily towards the outcome, and secondarily towards the mechanism. I think outcome on HN is second to none.
- Dowwie 8y ago
  Fine. HN is the best among the contenders, but that's not something that one ought to hang one's hat on. Posts don't rise on their own merits here. If that is a goal, there is much room for improvement. There are a number of situational factors that influence whether any post will receive attention. These include, but are not limited to timing, competition, the new post reader archetype and his/her motivations to participate, etc.
  - sokoloff 8y ago
    I don't think that limiting downvotes to accounts with X karma is a significant contributor to the problem of getting attention to a new high-quality post on a fairly high-volume site.
    - Dowwie 8y ago
      I'm not suggesting changing the rules on downvoting as a solution. I've considered far more drastic measures!
      - 0xbadcafebee 8y ago
        some hacks I think could increase quality: - mandatory 60 second re-click to submit a comment, without edits - mandatory 60 second re-click on votes after a rate threshold is exceeded - multiple choice votes to express motivation, intention, feedback - do not publish karma numbers - publish "example threads" that show values being practiced, including dead links/comments examples - randomly assign usernames every 12 months - tags and tag feeds

I disagree about HN being among the best for managing judgment. Down-voting requires X amount of karma but up-voting doesn't.

by Dowwie 8y ago

I disagree about HN being among the best for managing judgment. Down-voting requires X amount of karma but up-voting doesn't.

sokoloff 8y ago

I think that’s a key element to the success. It introduces an obvious upward bias in karma, but I don’t see that as a problem. For one, it prevents creating new accounts to downvote someone that pisses you off. For me personally, it means I downvote only for “adds absolutely nothing and is somehow harmful to HN community”. I probably upvote : downvote at 20:1 or greater. When deciding if a comment voting system is good or bad, I look heavily towards the outcome, and secondarily towards the mechanism. I think outcome on HN is second to none.

Dowwie 8y ago
Fine. HN is the best among the contenders, but that's not something that one ought to hang one's hat on. Posts don't rise on their own merits here. If that is a goal, there is much room for improvement. There are a number of situational factors that influence whether any post will receive attention. These include, but are not limited to timing, competition, the new post reader archetype and his/her motivations to participate, etc.
- sokoloff 8y ago
  I don't think that limiting downvotes to accounts with X karma is a significant contributor to the problem of getting attention to a new high-quality post on a fairly high-volume site.
  - Dowwie 8y ago
    I'm not suggesting changing the rules on downvoting as a solution. I've considered far more drastic measures!
    - 0xbadcafebee 8y ago
      some hacks I think could increase quality: - mandatory 60 second re-click to submit a comment, without edits - mandatory 60 second re-click on votes after a rate threshold is exceeded - multiple choice votes to express motivation, intention, feedback - do not publish karma numbers - publish "example threads" that show values being practiced, including dead links/comments examples - randomly assign usernames every 12 months - tags and tag feeds