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It is fast, but I have a couple of problems: 1. A technical bug - EF often fails to update SQL Server DB on model change (RecreateDatabaseIfModelChanges). 2.

by bsk 16y ago

It is fast, but I have a couple of problems: 1. A technical bug - EF often fails to update SQL Server DB on model change (RecreateDatabaseIfModelChanges). 2. More general - the generated UI is completely data centric, while even MS people advocate for business centric, task based UIs.

icey 16y ago
I agree with you completely regarding model changes; I hope it gets fixed in the next CTP (or beta if they're close enough). As to the generated UI, it's pretty similar to what you get with Rails scaffolding. I haven't spent a ton of time with it so you may know better than me, but it's nice having the default views generated while wiring everything together and then changing the generated views to build something a little more useful (the same way you'd do with scaffolded Rails objects).
brunomlopes 16y ago
As for point 2., I think you can generate the UI from any model class, right? So you can create a model for each task and generate the scaffolding for that particular model.
- bsk 16y ago
  Hmmm, interesting idea. Lets say I have a 'change product price' task. ASP MVC will generate controllers/views for CRUD operations and a list. Those don't look very useful.
  - brunomlopes 16y ago
    Actually, if your model has ProductID and NewPrice you can create just the Update controler/view for that. Put some validation on the model, and the scaffolding is done. Or you could write the form itself with the "EditorFor" helper methods, either for the whole class or for each field. It's not perfect, but good enough for a quick prototype or first version.
kennu 16y ago
MS is still advocating task centric UIs? I've hated crap that since they started filling Win7 with vague, ambiguous buttons like "Setup a new network", "Connect to a network", "Connect to the Internet", "Connect to a workplace"... You have to click them to find out what they actually do.
- lucisferre 16y ago
  That is a fair point, though I don't think the "task centric" approch can be held accountable for the issues with the design of the windows control panel. This is probably because control panels are not about "tasks" but settings and so it is a terrible paradigm for that.

by bsk 16y ago

icey 16y ago

I agree with you completely regarding model changes; I hope it gets fixed in the next CTP (or beta if they're close enough). As to the generated UI, it's pretty similar to what you get with Rails scaffolding. I haven't spent a ton of time with it so you may know better than me, but it's nice having the default views generated while wiring everything together and then changing the generated views to build something a little more useful (the same way you'd do with scaffolded Rails objects).

brunomlopes 16y ago

As for point 2., I think you can generate the UI from any model class, right? So you can create a model for each task and generate the scaffolding for that particular model.

bsk 16y ago
Hmmm, interesting idea. Lets say I have a 'change product price' task. ASP MVC will generate controllers/views for CRUD operations and a list. Those don't look very useful.
- brunomlopes 16y ago
  Actually, if your model has ProductID and NewPrice you can create just the Update controler/view for that. Put some validation on the model, and the scaffolding is done. Or you could write the form itself with the "EditorFor" helper methods, either for the whole class or for each field. It's not perfect, but good enough for a quick prototype or first version.

kennu 16y ago

MS is still advocating task centric UIs? I've hated crap that since they started filling Win7 with vague, ambiguous buttons like "Setup a new network", "Connect to a network", "Connect to the Internet", "Connect to a workplace"... You have to click them to find out what they actually do.

lucisferre 16y ago
That is a fair point, though I don't think the "task centric" approch can be held accountable for the issues with the design of the windows control panel. This is probably because control panels are not about "tasks" but settings and so it is a terrible paradigm for that.