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There are places here in Belgium where everybody is officially 'speeding' (so driving more than 10km/h faster than what's allowed) and where even the police adm

There are places here in Belgium where everybody is officially 'speeding' (so driving more than 10km/h faster than what's allowed) and where even the police admits the speed limit was set too low. Guess where they put the hidden mobile cameras. If they were really really interested in making the roads safer for everyone, they would combine driving on the right with the right of way for people coming from the left iso coming from the right. Statistics show (you can measure this because there are countries where they drive left and have right of way from the right) that it lowers the death toll by almost 30%.

seszett 8y ago
Everyone is speeding everywhere in Belgium. We also get a lot more casualties (by inhabitant, by vehicle, by kilometer, any metric you take) than France. France has about 30% less deaths than Belgium, and gives right of way to people coming from the right. The road rules are almost exactly the same between the two countries. If anything, I think it just shows that speed limits are not enforced well enough (and I think it should start with switching to a points permit) in Belgium. I also personally find them often too high, with 70 often being allowed in urban areas outside the core parts of towns.
- toolslive 8y ago
  mind there's a significant difference between Wallonia and Flanders. (see article below, in Dutch) https://www.knack.be/nieuws/belgie/aantal-verkeersdoden-daalt-maar-te-traag/article-normal-972973.html https://www.knack.be/nieuws/belgie/aantal-verkeersdoden-daal...
  - seszett 8y ago
    That's to be expected given the large difference between the regions, but the comparison still hold if you compare the more urbanised Nord département to Flanders. Nord is on paar with Noord-Brabant however, on the other side of Flanders. IMO there is no question that Flemish roads (I don't know Wallonia much) are less safe than French roads. Eurostat shows that quite well: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/RCI/#?vis=nuts1.transport&lang=en https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/RCI/#?vis=nuts1.transpor...
    - davidivadavid 8y ago
      Doesn't going by number of victims skew the results because some countries might have a more modern fleet of cars with better security features? Or is that accounted for?

seszett 8y ago

Everyone is speeding everywhere in Belgium. We also get a lot more casualties (by inhabitant, by vehicle, by kilometer, any metric you take) than France. France has about 30% less deaths than Belgium, and gives right of way to people coming from the right. The road rules are almost exactly the same between the two countries. If anything, I think it just shows that speed limits are not enforced well enough (and I think it should start with switching to a points permit) in Belgium. I also personally find them often too high, with 70 often being allowed in urban areas outside the core parts of towns.

toolslive 8y ago
mind there's a significant difference between Wallonia and Flanders. (see article below, in Dutch) https://www.knack.be/nieuws/belgie/aantal-verkeersdoden-daalt-maar-te-traag/article-normal-972973.html https://www.knack.be/nieuws/belgie/aantal-verkeersdoden-daal...
- seszett 8y ago
  That's to be expected given the large difference between the regions, but the comparison still hold if you compare the more urbanised Nord département to Flanders. Nord is on paar with Noord-Brabant however, on the other side of Flanders. IMO there is no question that Flemish roads (I don't know Wallonia much) are less safe than French roads. Eurostat shows that quite well: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/RCI/#?vis=nuts1.transport&lang=en https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/RCI/#?vis=nuts1.transpor...
  - davidivadavid 8y ago
    Doesn't going by number of victims skew the results because some countries might have a more modern fleet of cars with better security features? Or is that accounted for?