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I’m pretty sure the ones forced to work without pay don’t feel like it’s a vacation. No way are air traffic controllers feeling the “beach vibe” and considering

I’m pretty sure the ones forced to work without pay don’t feel like it’s a vacation. No way are air traffic controllers feeling the “beach vibe” and considering that about a third of TSA workers are calling in sick they seem to agree. It’s also pretty hard to have savings when your pay is shit, and hard to plan for insane political whims with indefinite expiration dates.

pastor_elm 8y ago
they get 'unpaid overtime compensation,' which can amount to double pay. The ones furloughed are the ones that can take a vacation, obviously.
- oh_sigh 8y ago
  The problem isn't them eventually getting paid, the problem is them lacking money in their pockets right now to pay the bills they need to pay right now.
  - ouid 8y ago
    they should take out payday loans and sue the federal government for the interest, that would be a fun court case.
  - cobookman 8y ago
    There's plenty of orgs offering government workers interest free loans. https://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/news/2018/12/27/usaa-provides-loans-for-members-amid-government.html https://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/news/2018/12/27/usaa-...
    - fzeroracer 8y ago
      Not all workers are going to be covered by interest free loans, and naturally there are going to be a lot of people scared by the prospect of not getting paid. It's still a huge hassle for families to go through and have to deal with. That's assuming that you manage to get said loan without any other possible predatory circumstances attached.
      - cobookman 8y ago
        Another interest free loan for government employees. https://hebrewfreeloandc.org/ https://hebrewfreeloandc.org/ I believe federal employees still get a paycheck for missed time. Just they won't get it till government opens back up.
        toufiqbarhamov 8y ago
        You keep missing that a lot of people can’t afford to live without being payed for an indefinite and undetermined interval. It’s a grossly unfair position to force people to work without pay because the government is run by the least among us. That’s not to say they don’t, some of them, have recourse. The issue is that they shouldn’t have to take out loans or beg from charities, or face exposure to scams and predatory lenders who hide among the legitimate outlets. It’s time to emerge from the bubble and recognize that how you live is not how everyone lives, and maybe even develop a bit of empathy and compassion.
        cobookman 8y ago
        "The problem isn't them eventually getting paid, the problem is them lacking money in their pockets right now to pay the bills they need to pay right now." That's the comment I was replying to. If they need money to pay their bills they can get a 0% loan for their missed paychecks. There's obviously reasons to be pissed about the shutdown.
        toufiqbarhamov 8y ago
        You’re seemingly confused about a few points, such as the difference between applying for a loan and receiving one, and the limits even when you manage to get one. Having said that if you’d like to defer your pay for an indefinite period and try to support yourself throug such loans, I’d read the blog.
        fzeroracer 8y ago
        Typically if a company told me 'look we can't afford to pay you right now, but we can get you some low-interest loans to cover you until we have more money', I'd bounce right the fuck out of there. I would still be owed money for work I did and could potentially sue to get it, but that doesn't make it any less of a pain in the ass.
    - mturmon 8y ago
      That’s for selected people, and $6k max. It won’t solve the problem, and it’s a bandaid that shouldn’t be necessary anyway. You don’t tell your employees to just hang on indefinitely and ask around for loans.
- Rebelgecko 8y ago
  Do you have more info on that? Is it only for hourly employees? In the 2013 shutdown, the people I know who actually worked lost out. The "nonessential" personnel got backpay/reimbursed vacation hours, and the people that worked just got paid normally.
madengr 8y ago
I hope the TSA is permanently shutdown.

pastor_elm 8y ago

they get 'unpaid overtime compensation,' which can amount to double pay. The ones furloughed are the ones that can take a vacation, obviously.

oh_sigh 8y ago
The problem isn't them eventually getting paid, the problem is them lacking money in their pockets right now to pay the bills they need to pay right now.
- ouid 8y ago
  they should take out payday loans and sue the federal government for the interest, that would be a fun court case.
- cobookman 8y ago
  There's plenty of orgs offering government workers interest free loans. https://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/news/2018/12/27/usaa-provides-loans-for-members-amid-government.html https://www.bizjournals.com/sanantonio/news/2018/12/27/usaa-...
  - fzeroracer 8y ago
    Not all workers are going to be covered by interest free loans, and naturally there are going to be a lot of people scared by the prospect of not getting paid. It's still a huge hassle for families to go through and have to deal with. That's assuming that you manage to get said loan without any other possible predatory circumstances attached.
    - cobookman 8y ago
      Another interest free loan for government employees. https://hebrewfreeloandc.org/ https://hebrewfreeloandc.org/ I believe federal employees still get a paycheck for missed time. Just they won't get it till government opens back up.
      - toufiqbarhamov 8y ago
        You keep missing that a lot of people can’t afford to live without being payed for an indefinite and undetermined interval. It’s a grossly unfair position to force people to work without pay because the government is run by the least among us. That’s not to say they don’t, some of them, have recourse. The issue is that they shouldn’t have to take out loans or beg from charities, or face exposure to scams and predatory lenders who hide among the legitimate outlets. It’s time to emerge from the bubble and recognize that how you live is not how everyone lives, and maybe even develop a bit of empathy and compassion.
        cobookman 8y ago
        "The problem isn't them eventually getting paid, the problem is them lacking money in their pockets right now to pay the bills they need to pay right now." That's the comment I was replying to. If they need money to pay their bills they can get a 0% loan for their missed paychecks. There's obviously reasons to be pissed about the shutdown.
        toufiqbarhamov 8y ago
        You’re seemingly confused about a few points, such as the difference between applying for a loan and receiving one, and the limits even when you manage to get one. Having said that if you’d like to defer your pay for an indefinite period and try to support yourself throug such loans, I’d read the blog.
      - fzeroracer 8y ago
        Typically if a company told me 'look we can't afford to pay you right now, but we can get you some low-interest loans to cover you until we have more money', I'd bounce right the fuck out of there. I would still be owed money for work I did and could potentially sue to get it, but that doesn't make it any less of a pain in the ass.
  - mturmon 8y ago
    That’s for selected people, and $6k max. It won’t solve the problem, and it’s a bandaid that shouldn’t be necessary anyway. You don’t tell your employees to just hang on indefinitely and ask around for loans.
Rebelgecko 8y ago
Do you have more info on that? Is it only for hourly employees? In the 2013 shutdown, the people I know who actually worked lost out. The "nonessential" personnel got backpay/reimbursed vacation hours, and the people that worked just got paid normally.

madengr 8y ago

I hope the TSA is permanently shutdown.