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I'm a Russian citizen. I can tell you firsthand that the US is as bad as Russia, with one exception: Russia is honest about what it is, while the US plays democ

I'm a Russian citizen. I can tell you firsthand that the US is as bad as Russia, with one exception: Russia is honest about what it is, while the US plays democracy games and pretends to be a "free" country. Edit: The downvotes are a sign that I've stepped on your sore toe. Go ahead, I have karma to spare, but remember my words next time you vote in an imaginary election.

nopriorarrests 8y ago
Dude, I mean... come on. After DJT was elected, you can call US elections whatever you want, but not imaginary. This shit is 100% real.
- hnbroseph 8y ago
  "real" is an interesting notion. when you're presented with two thoroughly awful options, and when the ability to select between the two said options is contingent on dodgy information, murky details and unanswered questions, is it really a proper choice? i almost feel like it's making important life decisions while one beer away from a blackout.
  - siffland 8y ago
    Wasn't some of the "dodgy" information allegedly supplied by Russian backed accounts on Facebook and other platforms. Maybe instead of making the decisions one beer away from a blackout we should do what the Persians did. “If an important decision is to be made, they [the Persians] discuss the question when they are drunk, and the following day the master of the house where the discussion was held submits their decision for reconsideration when they are sober. If they still approve it, it is adopted; if not, it is abandoned. Conversely, any decision they make when they are sober, is reconsidered afterwards when they are drunk.” ― Herodotus
  - tivert 8y ago
    > when you're presented with two thoroughly awful options, and when the ability to select between the two said options is contingent on dodgy information, murky details and unanswered questions, is it really a proper choice? It's a more "proper choice" than pretty much all of the alternatives. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
- goalieca 8y ago
  100% real including the election irregularities and voter suppression?
- RickJWagner 8y ago
  I agree. If Trump's shocking upset from the right isn't evidence enough, then consider the equally shocking defeat of a 10-term (10 term!) incumbent by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on the left. Few predicted either of those. I know of nobody who claims to have predicted both.
dragonwriter 8y ago
> I'm a Russian citizen. I can tell you firsthand that the US is as bad as Russia, Merely being a Russian citizen is very much an insufficient basis for claiming sufficient expertise and neutrality to be taken remotely seriously making this claim with no supporting evidence or argument. > Russia is honest about what it is Russia pretends to be a representative democracy, too, with parties and elections and even some power transfers. So, no, even if you were right that Russia were merely just as far from that ideal as the US is, Russia wouldn't be any more honest.
inn_shopper 8y ago
This is the fine example of infamous Russian "reverse cargo cult". To console themselves, they decided to think that westerners' planes are built from sticks and dirt too, but 'The West' just pretends better.

nopriorarrests 8y ago

Dude, I mean... come on. After DJT was elected, you can call US elections whatever you want, but not imaginary. This shit is 100% real.

hnbroseph 8y ago
"real" is an interesting notion. when you're presented with two thoroughly awful options, and when the ability to select between the two said options is contingent on dodgy information, murky details and unanswered questions, is it really a proper choice? i almost feel like it's making important life decisions while one beer away from a blackout.
- siffland 8y ago
  Wasn't some of the "dodgy" information allegedly supplied by Russian backed accounts on Facebook and other platforms. Maybe instead of making the decisions one beer away from a blackout we should do what the Persians did. “If an important decision is to be made, they [the Persians] discuss the question when they are drunk, and the following day the master of the house where the discussion was held submits their decision for reconsideration when they are sober. If they still approve it, it is adopted; if not, it is abandoned. Conversely, any decision they make when they are sober, is reconsidered afterwards when they are drunk.” ― Herodotus
- tivert 8y ago
  > when you're presented with two thoroughly awful options, and when the ability to select between the two said options is contingent on dodgy information, murky details and unanswered questions, is it really a proper choice? It's a more "proper choice" than pretty much all of the alternatives. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
goalieca 8y ago
100% real including the election irregularities and voter suppression?
RickJWagner 8y ago
I agree. If Trump's shocking upset from the right isn't evidence enough, then consider the equally shocking defeat of a 10-term (10 term!) incumbent by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on the left. Few predicted either of those. I know of nobody who claims to have predicted both.

dragonwriter 8y ago

> I'm a Russian citizen. I can tell you firsthand that the US is as bad as Russia, Merely being a Russian citizen is very much an insufficient basis for claiming sufficient expertise and neutrality to be taken remotely seriously making this claim with no supporting evidence or argument. > Russia is honest about what it is Russia pretends to be a representative democracy, too, with parties and elections and even some power transfers. So, no, even if you were right that Russia were merely just as far from that ideal as the US is, Russia wouldn't be any more honest.

inn_shopper 8y ago

This is the fine example of infamous Russian "reverse cargo cult". To console themselves, they decided to think that westerners' planes are built from sticks and dirt too, but 'The West' just pretends better.