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Tim Sweeney (Founder of Epic Games) reacted strongly to this in a thread on Twitter. https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1083407460252217346 https://twit

Tim Sweeney (Founder of Epic Games) reacted strongly to this in a thread on Twitter. https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1083407460252217346 https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/108340746025221734... "We specifically make the UE4 EULA apply perpetually so that when you obtain a version under a given EULA, you can stay on that version and operate under that EULA forever if you choose."

bilbo0s 8y ago
In fairness, that's easy for a guy sitting on Fortnite to say. That said, I do agree with his point. Unity should consider making these new TOS provisions apply from today forward instead of making them apply to everything. (That probably won't happen, because it would kneecap their upcoming cloud offerings, but I think ideally that's how it should work.)
- TillE 8y ago
  This was their pitch with UE4 even back when Fortnite was just some weird survival game they demoed at an Apple keynote.
- wmf 8y ago
  A retroactively-changeable EULA sounds totally radioactive and not doing that seems more like table stakes than a luxury. But I guess that's what we get with a game engine specifically aimed at less-professional developers.
  - SomeHacker44 8y ago
    IANAL but really, is this enforceable, for code already downloaded, used and deployed in compliance with the license at that time?
    - mroche 8y ago
      According to Crytek, it should be. Their engine license[0] is, if I am reading it correctly, similar in this respect. > By doing so, you, the Licensee, agree to all terms and conditions of this Agreement or in the accompanying documentation. You should read this Agreement carefully before the Start Date. If you do not agree with the terms and conditions set forth in this Agreement you are not authorized to use the CRYENGINE. > You agree to check www.cryengine.com periodically for new information and terms that govern your use of CRYENGINE. Crytek may modify this Agreement at any time. Crytek will inform you about revisions to this Agreement by email and/or by a notice on our home page and/or during log in. Revisions to terms affecting existing CRYENGINE shall be effective thirty (30) days after posting at www.cryengine.com If you do not agree with the new terms your only remedy is to stop using CRYENGINE. ... > If your register your Game later than June 30, 2018 then this current Agreement shall apply (no matter which CRYENGINE version you use); ... [0] https://github.com/CRYTEK/CRYENGINE/blob/release/LICENSE.md https://github.com/CRYTEK/CRYENGINE/blob/release/LICENSE.md
      - SomeHacker44 8y ago
        I wonder what a court has said about this, or if there are laws or regulations at the federal level about this. I always thought a contract had to include "a meeting of the minds," and I cannot see how that is possible if one party can change their mind for any reason at any time without any discussion or renewed agreement.
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bilbo0s 8y ago

In fairness, that's easy for a guy sitting on Fortnite to say. That said, I do agree with his point. Unity should consider making these new TOS provisions apply from today forward instead of making them apply to everything. (That probably won't happen, because it would kneecap their upcoming cloud offerings, but I think ideally that's how it should work.)

TillE 8y ago
This was their pitch with UE4 even back when Fortnite was just some weird survival game they demoed at an Apple keynote.
wmf 8y ago
A retroactively-changeable EULA sounds totally radioactive and not doing that seems more like table stakes than a luxury. But I guess that's what we get with a game engine specifically aimed at less-professional developers.
- SomeHacker44 8y ago
  IANAL but really, is this enforceable, for code already downloaded, used and deployed in compliance with the license at that time?
  - mroche 8y ago
    According to Crytek, it should be. Their engine license[0] is, if I am reading it correctly, similar in this respect. > By doing so, you, the Licensee, agree to all terms and conditions of this Agreement or in the accompanying documentation. You should read this Agreement carefully before the Start Date. If you do not agree with the terms and conditions set forth in this Agreement you are not authorized to use the CRYENGINE. > You agree to check www.cryengine.com periodically for new information and terms that govern your use of CRYENGINE. Crytek may modify this Agreement at any time. Crytek will inform you about revisions to this Agreement by email and/or by a notice on our home page and/or during log in. Revisions to terms affecting existing CRYENGINE shall be effective thirty (30) days after posting at www.cryengine.com If you do not agree with the new terms your only remedy is to stop using CRYENGINE. ... > If your register your Game later than June 30, 2018 then this current Agreement shall apply (no matter which CRYENGINE version you use); ... [0] https://github.com/CRYTEK/CRYENGINE/blob/release/LICENSE.md https://github.com/CRYTEK/CRYENGINE/blob/release/LICENSE.md
    - SomeHacker44 8y ago
      I wonder what a court has said about this, or if there are laws or regulations at the federal level about this. I always thought a contract had to include "a meeting of the minds," and I cannot see how that is possible if one party can change their mind for any reason at any time without any discussion or renewed agreement.
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