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The real story is much different. Interpol, the FBI, etc have been handed a golden tool to find child porn users. They could be prosecuting all those sites and

by hajile 8y ago

The real story is much different. Interpol, the FBI, etc have been handed a golden tool to find child porn users. They could be prosecuting all those sites and investigating their visitors, but instead, they turn a blind eye. Rather than stop real predators seeking out this garbage, they run sting operations to entrap people who are too uninformed and poor to fight back then pat themselves on the back about fighting crime.

withinrafael 8y ago
Chasing users feels like a complete waste of time. Taking down the sources (e.g. on the darkweb) and physically recovering the kids involved is surely a better use of their time, right? Ideally they'd do both, but finite resources...
- hajile 8y ago
  Chasing users is useful because those people are high-risk to be abusing children in their lives. The government drones on and on about the dangers of "The dark web" and how we need to give up all our security (because if we don't, they can't possibly catch anyone). Instead, we find hundreds of sites so easily accessible that a standard web crawler can locate them. It wouldn't be too difficult to track down the site and monitor it to find the owner. At that point, shut down the site and squeeze the owner. Sooner or later, one of them is going to have links to producers that can be followed.
the_duke 8y ago
What golden tool are you referring to? It's a cat and mouse game and probably always will be. Authorities have taken down several large child porn TOR sites for example.
- hajile 8y ago
  Bing -- which obviously has a magical ability to find child porn as they crawl the web that non LEO can match. There was more than a little sarcastic meaning. This isn't someone hiding on TOR. This is someone on an easily traceable, publicly available site who could be tracked down and squeezed to find the source (and hopefully find and rescue the children).
Wowfunhappy 8y ago
I would hope that any content found by human moderators (or possibly AI programs, in situations where the AI is particularly confident) gets reported to law enforcement. This allows law enforcement—given the requisite time and money—to do the things you describe, without also endangering regular people. Unless you're advocating the FBI should purposefully leave these results in place as a form of entrapment, which has a plethora of other issues.

by hajile 8y ago

withinrafael 8y ago

Chasing users feels like a complete waste of time. Taking down the sources (e.g. on the darkweb) and physically recovering the kids involved is surely a better use of their time, right? Ideally they'd do both, but finite resources...

hajile 8y ago
Chasing users is useful because those people are high-risk to be abusing children in their lives. The government drones on and on about the dangers of "The dark web" and how we need to give up all our security (because if we don't, they can't possibly catch anyone). Instead, we find hundreds of sites so easily accessible that a standard web crawler can locate them. It wouldn't be too difficult to track down the site and monitor it to find the owner. At that point, shut down the site and squeeze the owner. Sooner or later, one of them is going to have links to producers that can be followed.

the_duke 8y ago

What golden tool are you referring to? It's a cat and mouse game and probably always will be. Authorities have taken down several large child porn TOR sites for example.

hajile 8y ago
Bing -- which obviously has a magical ability to find child porn as they crawl the web that non LEO can match. There was more than a little sarcastic meaning. This isn't someone hiding on TOR. This is someone on an easily traceable, publicly available site who could be tracked down and squeezed to find the source (and hopefully find and rescue the children).

Wowfunhappy 8y ago

I would hope that any content found by human moderators (or possibly AI programs, in situations where the AI is particularly confident) gets reported to law enforcement. This allows law enforcement—given the requisite time and money—to do the things you describe, without also endangering regular people. Unless you're advocating the FBI should purposefully leave these results in place as a form of entrapment, which has a plethora of other issues.