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Are you aware that buzzfeed actually has a pretty good news section too? It doesnt pay well enough, so they also have the clickbait stuff

tropo 8y ago
BuzzFeed is the site that spread the "piss dossier" nonsense. You can't get much more fake than that without invoking aliens and Elvis.
- fzeroracer 8y ago
  You mean the same dossier that has increasingly had various points of data within it proven true?
- thecatspaw 8y ago
  I couldnt find any article on buzzfeed regarding that, and neither have I followed that dossier so I cannot comment on that. Mind sending a few links my way?
  - QuotedForTruth 8y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier#Publication_by_BuzzFeed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier#P...
- wbronitsky 8y ago
  Are you referring to the dossier that a court found was in the public interest to publish because it had so much merit? The same dossier that two presidents were briefed on and was a subject of an active government investigation? That dossier is now, provably, not fake. It seems like you might be unintentionally spreading fake news yourself. https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2018/12/20/public-has-right-know-buzzfeed-prevails-russian-tech-moguls-steele-dossier-case/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.58305596bd56 https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2018/12/20...
  - tropo 8y ago
    The existence of the dossier itself is provably not fake. The content however is, along with the original story of how it came to be funded, created, and disseminated. It's not even plausible. The man is a germophobe. He had to overcome a handshake aversion (Where has your hand been today? Eeeew...) to even run for office. It was trivial for the people in power to brief presidents or start a government investigation, with or without merit, and this leads the court to determine public interest. It's getting to be circular logic here, with merit coming from merit.
    - fzeroracer 8y ago
      You keep saying the content is fake, but again, we've seen various claims made within it prove true over time. Why are you keen on peddling fake news yourself? The pee tape may or may not be real, almost any intelligence dossier like that is going to contain information across multiple sources some of which may not be correct. This does not invalidate the document as a whole, especially because again, we've seen many claims within it bear fruit over the past few years.
    - wbronitsky 8y ago
      You're making straw man arguments without any proof or substance. Is there anything, articles, quotes, even tweets, anything that shows that the Steel Dossier is fake news? I'll admit that I thought it was unnecessary and possibly fake at the outset, but the data changed my mind. A court ruling, the news that two USA sitting Presidents were briefed on it, and the fact that the people who continue to deny it tell provable lies on a daily basis is a pretty strong set of data to counter the points you are making. This leads me to the conclusion that you are either 1) uninterested in the facts 2) making your arguments in bad faith or 3) all of the above In any case, arguing with you will not bring further truth out. Enjoy your day
      - tropo 8y ago
        The burden of proof falls on those who want to believe the claims. The fact that the dossier is notable (in the public interest to publish) does not mean that the dossier is correct. The court only ruled that the dossier was notable. The fact that presidents were briefed means that the dossier is notable, not that it is correct. The bit about people telling lies... well that is an ad hominem that also doesn't help to satisfy the burden of proof, plus if that were a valid argument then it could be applied to the source of the dossier.
- rozap 8y ago
  the pee tape is real.

tropo 8y ago

BuzzFeed is the site that spread the "piss dossier" nonsense. You can't get much more fake than that without invoking aliens and Elvis.

fzeroracer 8y ago
You mean the same dossier that has increasingly had various points of data within it proven true?
thecatspaw 8y ago
I couldnt find any article on buzzfeed regarding that, and neither have I followed that dossier so I cannot comment on that. Mind sending a few links my way?
- QuotedForTruth 8y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier#Publication_by_BuzzFeed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier#P...
wbronitsky 8y ago
Are you referring to the dossier that a court found was in the public interest to publish because it had so much merit? The same dossier that two presidents were briefed on and was a subject of an active government investigation? That dossier is now, provably, not fake. It seems like you might be unintentionally spreading fake news yourself. https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2018/12/20/public-has-right-know-buzzfeed-prevails-russian-tech-moguls-steele-dossier-case/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.58305596bd56 https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2018/12/20...
- tropo 8y ago
  The existence of the dossier itself is provably not fake. The content however is, along with the original story of how it came to be funded, created, and disseminated. It's not even plausible. The man is a germophobe. He had to overcome a handshake aversion (Where has your hand been today? Eeeew...) to even run for office. It was trivial for the people in power to brief presidents or start a government investigation, with or without merit, and this leads the court to determine public interest. It's getting to be circular logic here, with merit coming from merit.
  - fzeroracer 8y ago
    You keep saying the content is fake, but again, we've seen various claims made within it prove true over time. Why are you keen on peddling fake news yourself? The pee tape may or may not be real, almost any intelligence dossier like that is going to contain information across multiple sources some of which may not be correct. This does not invalidate the document as a whole, especially because again, we've seen many claims within it bear fruit over the past few years.
  - wbronitsky 8y ago
    You're making straw man arguments without any proof or substance. Is there anything, articles, quotes, even tweets, anything that shows that the Steel Dossier is fake news? I'll admit that I thought it was unnecessary and possibly fake at the outset, but the data changed my mind. A court ruling, the news that two USA sitting Presidents were briefed on it, and the fact that the people who continue to deny it tell provable lies on a daily basis is a pretty strong set of data to counter the points you are making. This leads me to the conclusion that you are either 1) uninterested in the facts 2) making your arguments in bad faith or 3) all of the above In any case, arguing with you will not bring further truth out. Enjoy your day
    - tropo 8y ago
      The burden of proof falls on those who want to believe the claims. The fact that the dossier is notable (in the public interest to publish) does not mean that the dossier is correct. The court only ruled that the dossier was notable. The fact that presidents were briefed means that the dossier is notable, not that it is correct. The bit about people telling lies... well that is an ad hominem that also doesn't help to satisfy the burden of proof, plus if that were a valid argument then it could be applied to the source of the dossier.
rozap 8y ago
the pee tape is real.