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They are taking Dominique Strauss-Kahn down for exactly that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Stra

They are taking Dominique Strauss-Kahn down for exactly that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn

akiselev 8y ago
Did his pizza shoppe actually have a basement, though?
- sonnyblarney 8y ago
  Allison Mack, some other prominent actors, and several members of the Bronfman family are going down for running a sex ring. Some of the circumstances are crazy. It would seem like fake news at first glance surely. It's downright bizarre. I certainly would have written it off as 'National Enquirer' were it not out of super credible institutions. Sometimes it's hard to tell what is 'truth' and the major 'credible' news agencies simply don't cover a lot of things.
  - pjc50 8y ago
    > were it not out of super credible institutions. Indeed. And there's a huge war over creditability. It's expensive to maintain and it suits some people to destroy it entirely.
  - jessaustin 8y ago
    Or consider that horrible Jeffrey Epstein. Not a politician, but he hosted politicians on his island of victimized children. Now we've learned that federal prosecutors colluded with his defense team to fool the courts into letting him off with a few months in a part-time minimum-security resort prison. It was fortunate for him that he had cultivated friendships with those in power! It was unfortunate for the little girls, how he cultivated those friendships...
  - akiselev 8y ago
    Oh I don't doubt the depravity of some human beings. The stuff that's public knowledge about the lollita express alone is horrific, basically putting it a few rungs short of 100 days of sodom. The problem is that accusations of pedophilia and molestation are emotional warheads so we get nutcases trying to shoot up pizzerias because of a rumor that makes absolutely zero sense because it is physically impossible. There's a reason we have gag orders in high profile trials and why we sometimes sequester juries: every time the public gets involved in such an emotional issue, justice is at risk of getting perverted. People like Epstein must be brought to justice and everyone who covered for them like Dershowitz and Acosta must feel the full force of the law and society they betrayed, but we have to do so deliberately. Otherwise, they'll just get away and continue to hurt people while qanon and Breitbart continue to radicalize a vulnerable segment of the population using easily disprovable lies.
    - burfog 8y ago
      It's mighty hard to prove that a building has never contained a basement. It could be constructed in secret, used, and then filled in. You'd need to dig it up like an archaeologist would, examining layers of soil for signs of disturbance. More realistically though, the pizzeria was a codeword for the real location. Plenty of evidence for pizza-related codewords is in the Podesta emails. It's really creepy. Normal people don't rent specific numbers of slices of pizza for specific numbers of hours. It is widely thought that the number of slices is actually the age of the victim. Pizza-related codewords are known to be used by criminals involved in that sort of thing; some have been caught. Podesta also has some disturbing artwork in his home that features children.
pjc50 8y ago
Details and priors matter here. He seems to have been involved in the "procuring" middleman role, as was Berlusconi (who largely got away with it until one of the girls was underage). "Male French or Italian politician involved in sexual misconduct" is well within the range of plausible news; the whole pizzagate thing relied on all sorts of alleged implausible details. Then there's the UK's "Dolphin Square" controversy, which largely went silent after Lord Ashcroft started threatening people with libel lawsuits and in any case is now buried under Brexit news. I've filed that firmly in the "Don't Know, and maybe impossible to know" category. The public inquiry rumbles on and will no doubt not report until all the accused are safely dead. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Inquiry_into_Child_Sexual_Abuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Inquiry_into_Child...
- sonnyblarney 8y ago
  Of course of course. Context matters. Reality matters! My point is it's a mess out there, and most people don't have insight into how the world really works, so I usually don't go blaming retirees for passing along false information of the Tabloid kind. It is what it is. Facebook is not new, it's just now we have digitized banal gossip. I guess the difference now is we can measure it.

They are taking Dominique Strauss-Kahn down for exactly that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn

akiselev 8y ago

Did his pizza shoppe actually have a basement, though?

sonnyblarney 8y ago
Allison Mack, some other prominent actors, and several members of the Bronfman family are going down for running a sex ring. Some of the circumstances are crazy. It would seem like fake news at first glance surely. It's downright bizarre. I certainly would have written it off as 'National Enquirer' were it not out of super credible institutions. Sometimes it's hard to tell what is 'truth' and the major 'credible' news agencies simply don't cover a lot of things.
- pjc50 8y ago
  > were it not out of super credible institutions. Indeed. And there's a huge war over creditability. It's expensive to maintain and it suits some people to destroy it entirely.
- jessaustin 8y ago
  Or consider that horrible Jeffrey Epstein. Not a politician, but he hosted politicians on his island of victimized children. Now we've learned that federal prosecutors colluded with his defense team to fool the courts into letting him off with a few months in a part-time minimum-security resort prison. It was fortunate for him that he had cultivated friendships with those in power! It was unfortunate for the little girls, how he cultivated those friendships...
- akiselev 8y ago
  Oh I don't doubt the depravity of some human beings. The stuff that's public knowledge about the lollita express alone is horrific, basically putting it a few rungs short of 100 days of sodom. The problem is that accusations of pedophilia and molestation are emotional warheads so we get nutcases trying to shoot up pizzerias because of a rumor that makes absolutely zero sense because it is physically impossible. There's a reason we have gag orders in high profile trials and why we sometimes sequester juries: every time the public gets involved in such an emotional issue, justice is at risk of getting perverted. People like Epstein must be brought to justice and everyone who covered for them like Dershowitz and Acosta must feel the full force of the law and society they betrayed, but we have to do so deliberately. Otherwise, they'll just get away and continue to hurt people while qanon and Breitbart continue to radicalize a vulnerable segment of the population using easily disprovable lies.
  - burfog 8y ago
    It's mighty hard to prove that a building has never contained a basement. It could be constructed in secret, used, and then filled in. You'd need to dig it up like an archaeologist would, examining layers of soil for signs of disturbance. More realistically though, the pizzeria was a codeword for the real location. Plenty of evidence for pizza-related codewords is in the Podesta emails. It's really creepy. Normal people don't rent specific numbers of slices of pizza for specific numbers of hours. It is widely thought that the number of slices is actually the age of the victim. Pizza-related codewords are known to be used by criminals involved in that sort of thing; some have been caught. Podesta also has some disturbing artwork in his home that features children.

pjc50 8y ago

Details and priors matter here. He seems to have been involved in the "procuring" middleman role, as was Berlusconi (who largely got away with it until one of the girls was underage). "Male French or Italian politician involved in sexual misconduct" is well within the range of plausible news; the whole pizzagate thing relied on all sorts of alleged implausible details. Then there's the UK's "Dolphin Square" controversy, which largely went silent after Lord Ashcroft started threatening people with libel lawsuits and in any case is now buried under Brexit news. I've filed that firmly in the "Don't Know, and maybe impossible to know" category. The public inquiry rumbles on and will no doubt not report until all the accused are safely dead. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Inquiry_into_Child_Sexual_Abuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Inquiry_into_Child...

sonnyblarney 8y ago
Of course of course. Context matters. Reality matters! My point is it's a mess out there, and most people don't have insight into how the world really works, so I usually don't go blaming retirees for passing along false information of the Tabloid kind. It is what it is. Facebook is not new, it's just now we have digitized banal gossip. I guess the difference now is we can measure it.