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Carbs are a source of ordinary nutrition, so the cravings you experience aren't a clue regarding addiction. Body chemistry has essential needs. You can't just

Carbs are a source of ordinary nutrition, so the cravings you experience aren't a clue regarding addiction. Body chemistry has essential needs. You can't just drop carbs (simple or complex), feel a pang, and conflate as addiction. And yeah, all meat transmits compounds besides protein. But. Meat sourced from mammals is different. And genetic/evolutionary proximity matters. Pork, for sure, is controversial according to religious food customs for a reason. Not just the perception of pigs as "filthy animals." Consider that boar taint is a key factor in selecting how to butcher pigs for their meat. Plants are extremely distant, and the evolutionary pathways that have lead to biologically significant plants is on the other side of the predator/prey wall. Plants do not operate lipids in ways similar to animals, and oil solubility is a key factor for how animal behavior and metabolism gets modified by nutrition. From vitamins, to horomones, to blood/brain barrier crossing agents.

keymone 8y ago
Can you link sources to those claims? For instance carbs are absolutely not essential [1], one can live healthy life without a gram of carbohydrates. So I’m interested where are you getting your information. [1] https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/75/5/951/4689417 https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/75/5/951/4689417
- platelet 8y ago
  I don’t have a single link for you. Gee, looks like you win the internet. Except, just try it. Try to exclude them from your diet, and see where you wind up. And at this point, we can see that there’s nothing to your argument except pedantry. You use vague blanket statements “all” and “carbs” but link to a specific article about refined carbohydrates only, which really doesn’t cover the total scope of “all” carbohydrates. Carbohydrates are a chemical class. You get carbs when you eat fruits and vegetables. Those are carbs. People who go vegan have to deal with managing their carb intake all the time, and guess what? It ain’t just because of bread, pasta, rice, whole grain, flour and sugar. The sources of protein for a vegan diet often bring carbs along for the ride. Legumes bring carbs to the table. Quinoa is really popular, but includes a carbohydrate load, even though it’s a good source of essential amino acids. If carbohydrates aren’t an essential aspect of metabolism, then can you explain the role of glycolysis as an input to the Krebs cycle? Need a link for that? https://google.com/search?q=glycolysis+krebs+cycle https://google.com/search?q=glycolysis+krebs+cycle Have fun.
  - keymone 8y ago
    No links is the largest red flag, no wonder you’re constantly downvoted. > If carbohydrates aren’t an essential aspect of metabolism, then can you explain the role of glycolysis as an input to the Krebs cycle? You know so much about metabolism, tell me how do ketone bodies enter this picture? I really don’t need your answer, anybody can google for themselves that dietary glucose is not an essential nutrient.
    - platelet 8y ago
      Except I'm not here for votes of either variety. And I'm not going to feed some hypothetical link monster that insists on their presence. So take your [citation needed] practices somewhere else. Reading comprehension alone will get you through what I've written so far. Nothing I've put forward requires an incredible cognitive leap, such that it simply must be backed by some credible research institution. Just look at the circulatory systems of plants, as non-motile creatures. It's really obvious that anything growing on a vine isn't going to have biological pathways for oils that compare to how humans operate body fat. But yeah, red flags. Whatever. I'm content in leaving you wrong and clueless.
      - keymone 8y ago
        nothing to say about ketones and krebs cycle? still going to insist carbs are essential macronutrient? > take your [citation needed] practices somewhere else i like this forum very much, specifically because i see how it's inhabitants react to your baseless claims.
        platelet 8y ago
        Keep going. I can't wait to see how you win this internet argument. I'm on the edge of my seat.
        dang 8y ago
        Please don't feed trolls. By doing that, you kept this flamewar going, and crossed into incivility yourself. Instead, please follow the site guidelines and flag egregious comments instead of replying to them. To flag a comment, click on its timestamp to go to its page, then click the 'flag' link at the top. (There's a small karma threshold before flag links appear.) https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

keymone 8y ago

Can you link sources to those claims? For instance carbs are absolutely not essential [1], one can live healthy life without a gram of carbohydrates. So I’m interested where are you getting your information. [1] https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/75/5/951/4689417 https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/75/5/951/4689417

platelet 8y ago
I don’t have a single link for you. Gee, looks like you win the internet. Except, just try it. Try to exclude them from your diet, and see where you wind up. And at this point, we can see that there’s nothing to your argument except pedantry. You use vague blanket statements “all” and “carbs” but link to a specific article about refined carbohydrates only, which really doesn’t cover the total scope of “all” carbohydrates. Carbohydrates are a chemical class. You get carbs when you eat fruits and vegetables. Those are carbs. People who go vegan have to deal with managing their carb intake all the time, and guess what? It ain’t just because of bread, pasta, rice, whole grain, flour and sugar. The sources of protein for a vegan diet often bring carbs along for the ride. Legumes bring carbs to the table. Quinoa is really popular, but includes a carbohydrate load, even though it’s a good source of essential amino acids. If carbohydrates aren’t an essential aspect of metabolism, then can you explain the role of glycolysis as an input to the Krebs cycle? Need a link for that? https://google.com/search?q=glycolysis+krebs+cycle https://google.com/search?q=glycolysis+krebs+cycle Have fun.
- keymone 8y ago
  No links is the largest red flag, no wonder you’re constantly downvoted. > If carbohydrates aren’t an essential aspect of metabolism, then can you explain the role of glycolysis as an input to the Krebs cycle? You know so much about metabolism, tell me how do ketone bodies enter this picture? I really don’t need your answer, anybody can google for themselves that dietary glucose is not an essential nutrient.
  - platelet 8y ago
    Except I'm not here for votes of either variety. And I'm not going to feed some hypothetical link monster that insists on their presence. So take your [citation needed] practices somewhere else. Reading comprehension alone will get you through what I've written so far. Nothing I've put forward requires an incredible cognitive leap, such that it simply must be backed by some credible research institution. Just look at the circulatory systems of plants, as non-motile creatures. It's really obvious that anything growing on a vine isn't going to have biological pathways for oils that compare to how humans operate body fat. But yeah, red flags. Whatever. I'm content in leaving you wrong and clueless.
    - keymone 8y ago
      nothing to say about ketones and krebs cycle? still going to insist carbs are essential macronutrient? > take your [citation needed] practices somewhere else i like this forum very much, specifically because i see how it's inhabitants react to your baseless claims.
      - platelet 8y ago
        Keep going. I can't wait to see how you win this internet argument. I'm on the edge of my seat.
      - dang 8y ago
        Please don't feed trolls. By doing that, you kept this flamewar going, and crossed into incivility yourself. Instead, please follow the site guidelines and flag egregious comments instead of replying to them. To flag a comment, click on its timestamp to go to its page, then click the 'flag' link at the top. (There's a small karma threshold before flag links appear.) https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html