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> You should be more careful about victim blaming. I think you should be more careful with how you use the phrase "victim blaming", which is commonly used in c

> You should be more careful about victim blaming. I think you should be more careful with how you use the phrase "victim blaming", which is commonly used in cases of injustice towards victims of sexual assault in particular. You haven't been victimized, you've been inconvenienced and/or had a poor customer experience.

whatshisface 8y ago
>You haven't been victimized, you've been inconvenienced and/or had a poor customer experience. That sentence only makes sense if you redefine the word victimized to mean a special, set-apart form of extra bad victimization.
- hosh 8y ago
  Businesses generally make decisions on economic interest aligning with incentive structure. It is not personal. Victims are specifically targetted, or some sort of personal boundary is violated. It can get very personal. We might sometimes talk about someone being a victim of an impersonal force. For example, someome being injured as a result of a tsunami. However, excessively attaching to the narrative of being a victim can prevent someone from continuing their grieving process and moving on with their life. That is not to say it cannot happen in the business world ... but I doubt that is the case here.
  - whatshisface 8y ago
    >However, excessively attaching to the narrative of being a victim [...] There is no particular indication that the OP was calling forth the grand "victim narrative," or comparing themselves to sexual assault survivors in any way. >Victims are specifically targetted, or some sort of personal boundary is violated. It can get very personal. That's a mischaracterization of the word, focusing on a subset of the cases where it applies. I think a good argument against that mischaracterization might be: >We might sometimes talk about someone being a victim of an impersonal force. For example, someome being injured as a result of a tsunami.
    - hosh 8y ago
      You don’t have to compare oneself to sexual assault victim narrative to attach to some sort of a narrative. People can be attached to all kinds ot ideas and narratives. I have learned from my own life journey that suffering can’t really by quantified, and one person’s experience of suffering can be as intense to them as someone else’s. As I said, being a victim of an impersonal force can happen in the business world too. Whether the acting force is personal or impersonal, the victim usually experiences (1) the force personally and (2) feels helplessness at the situation. The latter is kinda strange to me in the context of a business setting given the common narratives around self-reliance and exploiting opportunities in the business and startup subculture. Thing is, I don’t see much at stake besides time, stress, and inconvenience. Maybe this is an appeal to public opinion get some leverage over Stripe? If not, and they really want to be in the victimhood narrative as an entrepreneur, sure, go ahead. I don’t see how such an orientation will help someone succeed as an entrepreneur.

whatshisface 8y ago

>You haven't been victimized, you've been inconvenienced and/or had a poor customer experience. That sentence only makes sense if you redefine the word victimized to mean a special, set-apart form of extra bad victimization.

hosh 8y ago
Businesses generally make decisions on economic interest aligning with incentive structure. It is not personal. Victims are specifically targetted, or some sort of personal boundary is violated. It can get very personal. We might sometimes talk about someone being a victim of an impersonal force. For example, someome being injured as a result of a tsunami. However, excessively attaching to the narrative of being a victim can prevent someone from continuing their grieving process and moving on with their life. That is not to say it cannot happen in the business world ... but I doubt that is the case here.
- whatshisface 8y ago
  >However, excessively attaching to the narrative of being a victim [...] There is no particular indication that the OP was calling forth the grand "victim narrative," or comparing themselves to sexual assault survivors in any way. >Victims are specifically targetted, or some sort of personal boundary is violated. It can get very personal. That's a mischaracterization of the word, focusing on a subset of the cases where it applies. I think a good argument against that mischaracterization might be: >We might sometimes talk about someone being a victim of an impersonal force. For example, someome being injured as a result of a tsunami.
  - hosh 8y ago
    You don’t have to compare oneself to sexual assault victim narrative to attach to some sort of a narrative. People can be attached to all kinds ot ideas and narratives. I have learned from my own life journey that suffering can’t really by quantified, and one person’s experience of suffering can be as intense to them as someone else’s. As I said, being a victim of an impersonal force can happen in the business world too. Whether the acting force is personal or impersonal, the victim usually experiences (1) the force personally and (2) feels helplessness at the situation. The latter is kinda strange to me in the context of a business setting given the common narratives around self-reliance and exploiting opportunities in the business and startup subculture. Thing is, I don’t see much at stake besides time, stress, and inconvenience. Maybe this is an appeal to public opinion get some leverage over Stripe? If not, and they really want to be in the victimhood narrative as an entrepreneur, sure, go ahead. I don’t see how such an orientation will help someone succeed as an entrepreneur.