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The sugar industry has a long history financing research. The obsession the US got in with salt, fat and 'red meat' were often financed by the sugar industry.

by nickik 8y ago

The sugar industry has a long history financing research. The obsession the US got in with salt, fat and 'red meat' were often financed by the sugar industry. The results were the absurd situation where things would be sold as 'low fat' but had doupled the amount of sugar and is marketed as diet food.

bad_user 8y ago
Noteworthy is also the labeling of seed oils to be the "healthy fats" and they're like the exact opposite.
- ivanche 8y ago
  Why do you think that seed oils are unhealthy fats? Are you maybe referring to processed (refined) oils? For all I know, eating raw sunflower seeds, almonds, hazelnuts, cashews etc. is quite beneficial for one's health.
  - maxmcorp 8y ago
    There is no documentation that seed oils are especially unhealthy. They do however consist mainly of omega 6 fatty acids, and our body needs about 50/50 omega 6 and 3 in the diet. Basically omega 3 is anti inflammatory and omega 6 is. inflammatory. (too much omega 3 is not good either) The problem with seed oils is that we mainly eat those now, as they are used in everything due to price. So we get FAR too much omega 6 in our diet. Which is bad in the long run.
    - stochastic_monk 8y ago
      High-oleic acid seed oils are becoming common and cheap enough to use in many cases. For example, Trader Joe’s sunflower seed oil (the kind I use) is nearly exclusively oleic, which is monounsaturated.
  - stochastic_monk 8y ago
    Especially those higher in monounsaturated fats [0-1]. [0] https://www.fda.gov/Food/NewsEvents/ConstituentUpdates/ucm624758.htm https://www.fda.gov/Food/NewsEvents/ConstituentUpdates/ucm62... [1] https://medlineplus.gov/ency/patientinstructions/000785.htm https://medlineplus.gov/ency/patientinstructions/000785.htm
  - onetimemanytime 8y ago
    >>For all I know, eating raw sunflower seeds, almonds, hazelnuts, cashews etc. is quite beneficial for one's health. Moderation might be the key word. Also the fact that it replaces something worse. Eating 2lbs of walnuts a day probably isn't a good idea, but eating a few every very days might be great for your health.
- nickik 8y ago
  I agree that this separation is nonsense. However I don't really see much reason to call seed oils unhealthy. However, its not something I have researched much.
Deimorz 8y ago
Buzzfeed News had a good story about this a couple of weeks ago: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/cristin-kearns-sugar-industry-science https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/cristin-k...
platelet 8y ago
Financed research with vested interests, though it may be, salt, fat and red meat can have palpable effects on the human body. Salt is an implement of suicide, for one. Red meat, I suspect, transmits all kinds of biological signaling residue from the original animal’s state, even when fully cooked. From horomones, to antibiotics, to persistent organic pollutants, and then onward to your electrolyte changes required to produce the gastric juices for the quantity you’ve eaten. Muscle protein, though it may be, it’s a carrier of all kinds of interesting artifacts, and when you start accepting ground beef, you even open up the window to prion diseases, since other tissues, besides muscle, sneak in. Fat does have complications and side effects, now that we have a better concept of the way transfats interact with our metabolism, when they remain waxier and refuse to easily melt at body temperature, requiring more intensive effort to burn off. This means fried foods and processed food that deliver doses of transfat really do introduce a metabolic issue. Food is complex, and refined sugar also adds problems. I don’t find sugar addictive, but in high quantities, and when combined with these other gotchas, sugar is definitely a serious contributor to all the obesity and diabetes we see, for sure. Eat some extra donuts for a month to notice the difference. Actually, don’t. Caffeine, nicotine and alcohol are also complications, that seem to fly under the cognitive radar in these discussions. And are actually probably the worst offenders, in terms of seriously augmenting an unhealthy diet.
- GordonS 8y ago
  > I don’t find sugar addictive Try eliminating it from your diet and see if you still think the same! Seriously, for a few days you will crave carbs if you stop eating them altogether. > Red meat, I suspect, transmits all kinds of...horomones, to antibiotics, to persistent organic pollutants... Surely you could say the same about non-red meats such as chicken, pork and lamb? > Red meat, I suspect, transmits all kinds of...persistent organic pollutants... You could also argue this for just about any vegetable, legume, fruit or grain crop too.
  - jayalpha 8y ago
    ".. Red meat, I suspect, transmits all kinds of.." Beef was suspected, based in statistic analysis, to to transmit cancer by a German Nobel price winner Harald zur Hausen for a long time. And just last year there were some interesting results: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29434270 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29434270

by nickik 8y ago

bad_user 8y ago

Noteworthy is also the labeling of seed oils to be the "healthy fats" and they're like the exact opposite.

ivanche 8y ago
Why do you think that seed oils are unhealthy fats? Are you maybe referring to processed (refined) oils? For all I know, eating raw sunflower seeds, almonds, hazelnuts, cashews etc. is quite beneficial for one's health.
- maxmcorp 8y ago
  There is no documentation that seed oils are especially unhealthy. They do however consist mainly of omega 6 fatty acids, and our body needs about 50/50 omega 6 and 3 in the diet. Basically omega 3 is anti inflammatory and omega 6 is. inflammatory. (too much omega 3 is not good either) The problem with seed oils is that we mainly eat those now, as they are used in everything due to price. So we get FAR too much omega 6 in our diet. Which is bad in the long run.
  - stochastic_monk 8y ago
    High-oleic acid seed oils are becoming common and cheap enough to use in many cases. For example, Trader Joe’s sunflower seed oil (the kind I use) is nearly exclusively oleic, which is monounsaturated.
- stochastic_monk 8y ago
  Especially those higher in monounsaturated fats [0-1]. [0] https://www.fda.gov/Food/NewsEvents/ConstituentUpdates/ucm624758.htm https://www.fda.gov/Food/NewsEvents/ConstituentUpdates/ucm62... [1] https://medlineplus.gov/ency/patientinstructions/000785.htm https://medlineplus.gov/ency/patientinstructions/000785.htm
- onetimemanytime 8y ago
  >>For all I know, eating raw sunflower seeds, almonds, hazelnuts, cashews etc. is quite beneficial for one's health. Moderation might be the key word. Also the fact that it replaces something worse. Eating 2lbs of walnuts a day probably isn't a good idea, but eating a few every very days might be great for your health.
nickik 8y ago
I agree that this separation is nonsense. However I don't really see much reason to call seed oils unhealthy. However, its not something I have researched much.

Deimorz 8y ago

Buzzfeed News had a good story about this a couple of weeks ago: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/cristin-kearns-sugar-industry-science https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/cristin-k...

platelet 8y ago

Financed research with vested interests, though it may be, salt, fat and red meat can have palpable effects on the human body. Salt is an implement of suicide, for one. Red meat, I suspect, transmits all kinds of biological signaling residue from the original animal’s state, even when fully cooked. From horomones, to antibiotics, to persistent organic pollutants, and then onward to your electrolyte changes required to produce the gastric juices for the quantity you’ve eaten. Muscle protein, though it may be, it’s a carrier of all kinds of interesting artifacts, and when you start accepting ground beef, you even open up the window to prion diseases, since other tissues, besides muscle, sneak in. Fat does have complications and side effects, now that we have a better concept of the way transfats interact with our metabolism, when they remain waxier and refuse to easily melt at body temperature, requiring more intensive effort to burn off. This means fried foods and processed food that deliver doses of transfat really do introduce a metabolic issue. Food is complex, and refined sugar also adds problems. I don’t find sugar addictive, but in high quantities, and when combined with these other gotchas, sugar is definitely a serious contributor to all the obesity and diabetes we see, for sure. Eat some extra donuts for a month to notice the difference. Actually, don’t. Caffeine, nicotine and alcohol are also complications, that seem to fly under the cognitive radar in these discussions. And are actually probably the worst offenders, in terms of seriously augmenting an unhealthy diet.

GordonS 8y ago
> I don’t find sugar addictive Try eliminating it from your diet and see if you still think the same! Seriously, for a few days you will crave carbs if you stop eating them altogether. > Red meat, I suspect, transmits all kinds of...horomones, to antibiotics, to persistent organic pollutants... Surely you could say the same about non-red meats such as chicken, pork and lamb? > Red meat, I suspect, transmits all kinds of...persistent organic pollutants... You could also argue this for just about any vegetable, legume, fruit or grain crop too.
- jayalpha 8y ago
  ".. Red meat, I suspect, transmits all kinds of.." Beef was suspected, based in statistic analysis, to to transmit cancer by a German Nobel price winner Harald zur Hausen for a long time. And just last year there were some interesting results: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29434270 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29434270