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What are all those thousands "world-changing" things coming out of SF? Or do you include all the changing world for the worse things that come out of twitters a

by Fins 8y ago

What are all those thousands "world-changing" things coming out of SF? Or do you include all the changing world for the worse things that come out of twitters and ubers? Only in the SV bubble could one think that "disrupting the laundry pick-up industry" or some "uber for dog walking" is something world-changing And COL-adjusted salaries in SF outdo other cities only if you happen to be at one of the FAANGs or something with particularly generous VC backing. But even for people who want to work there, there aren't enough FAANG jobs for everyone (and not everyone wants to touch them with a 10 foot pole). At the vast majority of companies pay isn't anything like that. Not that weather in SF was all that great either.

pm90 8y ago
Lol no. Startups pay a lot. So do smaller companies located in SF. You have to: otherwise you lose employees fast.
- Fins 8y ago
  Except when they don't, and you end up with stock options in Pets.com If you get into a right startup, sure, you can walk away a millionaire, but while it makes for a nice SV foundational myth, in reality it happens to very few people. But I guess it works, as long as there is a sufficient supply of bright-eye kids who were led to think that living with roommates after you've graduated from college is acceptable it all works out.
  - pm90 8y ago
    > bright-eye kids who were led to think that living with roommates after you've graduated from college is acceptable it all works out. You realize that a lot of folks who work in SV are immigrants who come from situations much worse than this, right? Even for Americans: please don't blame the young for the shitty economic situation that they've inherited. I get your point that they shouldn't put up with that lifestyle, but what do you expect them to do? Just not move here? Once they're here and see that you can demand better compensation, they do move up the ladder.
    - Fins 8y ago
      I'm not saying that they should not come, if they think it works for them. I object to the propaganda that it's the only place they should come to, or that anyone will be better off in SV than elsewhere. Neither seems to be correct, or takes in account all the negative externalities of pricing out anyone who does not work in adtech. And there are lots of places in the US where economic situation (at least if you're IT-related) is quite good. E.g. in Chicago you can have a job, and buying your own house a few years out of college is perfectly doable. And you still have access to world-class culture, entertainment, food, what not. Really, in Chicago I have never heard of anyone working even in some boring corporate drone developer position who had to live with roommates. This is something students, or day laborers do. In the Valley I regularly met grown-up people working as software engineers for FAANGs who were bunking with roommates. Sure, if someone likes it, all the power to them, but is it really the best option for everyone?
mav3rick 8y ago
Airbnb, Stripe, Twitter, Tesla, Docker...I can go on and on. Please go on with your narrative of poor start ups and keep on validating your life choices.

by Fins 8y ago

pm90 8y ago

Lol no. Startups pay a lot. So do smaller companies located in SF. You have to: otherwise you lose employees fast.

Fins 8y ago
Except when they don't, and you end up with stock options in Pets.com If you get into a right startup, sure, you can walk away a millionaire, but while it makes for a nice SV foundational myth, in reality it happens to very few people. But I guess it works, as long as there is a sufficient supply of bright-eye kids who were led to think that living with roommates after you've graduated from college is acceptable it all works out.
- pm90 8y ago
  > bright-eye kids who were led to think that living with roommates after you've graduated from college is acceptable it all works out. You realize that a lot of folks who work in SV are immigrants who come from situations much worse than this, right? Even for Americans: please don't blame the young for the shitty economic situation that they've inherited. I get your point that they shouldn't put up with that lifestyle, but what do you expect them to do? Just not move here? Once they're here and see that you can demand better compensation, they do move up the ladder.
  - Fins 8y ago
    I'm not saying that they should not come, if they think it works for them. I object to the propaganda that it's the only place they should come to, or that anyone will be better off in SV than elsewhere. Neither seems to be correct, or takes in account all the negative externalities of pricing out anyone who does not work in adtech. And there are lots of places in the US where economic situation (at least if you're IT-related) is quite good. E.g. in Chicago you can have a job, and buying your own house a few years out of college is perfectly doable. And you still have access to world-class culture, entertainment, food, what not. Really, in Chicago I have never heard of anyone working even in some boring corporate drone developer position who had to live with roommates. This is something students, or day laborers do. In the Valley I regularly met grown-up people working as software engineers for FAANGs who were bunking with roommates. Sure, if someone likes it, all the power to them, but is it really the best option for everyone?

mav3rick 8y ago

Airbnb, Stripe, Twitter, Tesla, Docker...I can go on and on. Please go on with your narrative of poor start ups and keep on validating your life choices.