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You're logging more than just media drives, otherwise Tesla wouldn't magically have the data to put together a PR response denying culpability whenever somethin

You're logging more than just media drives, otherwise Tesla wouldn't magically have the data to put together a PR response denying culpability whenever something goes wrong with Autopilot. Tesla does not hold itself to the same standard of truthfulness it insists on from others. The Top Gear segment was benign compared to Tesla's coast to coast FSD boast, designed to extract FCF from selling a product that may or may not eventually exist. https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a19649335/tesla-says-model-x-in-deadly-crash-was-on-autopilot/ https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a19649...

asdfasgasdgasdg 8y ago
I am not Tesla, and I don't work for them either. That's a quote from their response. I was typing one-handed so I didn't get a chance to add the quotes. > otherwise Tesla wouldn't magically have the data to put together a PR response denying culpability whenever something goes wrong with Autopilot. NTSB -> crash scene -> find black box -> send to TSLA? Just one possible non-nefarious mechanism for this information to make its way to Tesla.
- reitzensteinm 8y ago
  Right, that makes sense - I thought it was odd a Tesla employee would be commenting about it. Is co-opting a crash investigation performed by the government and cherry picking data from it in order to cast the blame on their deceased former customer meant to be better or worse than collecting everyone's data indiscriminately?
  - asdfasgasdgasdg 8y ago
    It is different. Different threat models, concerning to different people for different reasons. To pick a random example, if I said "Donald Trump killed a homeless guy for looking at him the wrong way," that would be inaccurate. I don't like Donald Trump, think he's a bad guy, but I still wouldn't want to make a false or likely false accusation about him. In the same way, if I don't like that Tesla is making crash data public, I'll say that. I won't say that they're tracking everyone's movements.
    - reitzensteinm 8y ago
      OK, but OP was saying their actions were harming consumer confidence. You supplied an alternate explanation, but if it's just as Orwellian, how is it better?
      - asdfasgasdgasdg 8y ago
        The person I was responding to said: > who realized that Tesla would go through their trip logs if they made even the slightest critical comment of the company which is likely false. It's irrelevant in this branch of the conversation how Orwellian my more likely explanation is, because what's being contested is the truthfulness of this claim, not how bad of a company Tesla is.

asdfasgasdgasdg 8y ago

I am not Tesla, and I don't work for them either. That's a quote from their response. I was typing one-handed so I didn't get a chance to add the quotes. > otherwise Tesla wouldn't magically have the data to put together a PR response denying culpability whenever something goes wrong with Autopilot. NTSB -> crash scene -> find black box -> send to TSLA? Just one possible non-nefarious mechanism for this information to make its way to Tesla.

reitzensteinm 8y ago
Right, that makes sense - I thought it was odd a Tesla employee would be commenting about it. Is co-opting a crash investigation performed by the government and cherry picking data from it in order to cast the blame on their deceased former customer meant to be better or worse than collecting everyone's data indiscriminately?
- asdfasgasdgasdg 8y ago
  It is different. Different threat models, concerning to different people for different reasons. To pick a random example, if I said "Donald Trump killed a homeless guy for looking at him the wrong way," that would be inaccurate. I don't like Donald Trump, think he's a bad guy, but I still wouldn't want to make a false or likely false accusation about him. In the same way, if I don't like that Tesla is making crash data public, I'll say that. I won't say that they're tracking everyone's movements.
  - reitzensteinm 8y ago
    OK, but OP was saying their actions were harming consumer confidence. You supplied an alternate explanation, but if it's just as Orwellian, how is it better?
    - asdfasgasdgasdg 8y ago
      The person I was responding to said: > who realized that Tesla would go through their trip logs if they made even the slightest critical comment of the company which is likely false. It's irrelevant in this branch of the conversation how Orwellian my more likely explanation is, because what's being contested is the truthfulness of this claim, not how bad of a company Tesla is.