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There's arguments to be made that this is a right-wing coup. Many hardliners in the republican party, along with trump, want to starve the beast. And there's n

There's arguments to be made that this is a right-wing coup. Many hardliners in the republican party, along with trump, want to starve the beast. And there's not much more you can do than by harming the rank and file with "you must go to work but we won't pay you". The people in federal positions I know of are already looking elsewhere. Some are trying to survive it. And others are going "sick-out". Regardless how its being done, it is. And this shutdown is starving all non-military federal positions from TSA to the USDA. If this goes on for months, then those people will leave, along with their experience their tenure brought. And eventually, when the government is not "shut down", they will have proof that the government really didn't need those positions. And we open our eyes, and realize the swamp wasn't Capitol Hill. The swamp was us. We're in the middle of draining.

nostrademons 8y ago
Maybe, but I think it's ironic that this shutdown is over a Republican (well, Trumpist) initiative to spend more money, while it's the Democrats who want to hold the line on spending.
- tropo 8y ago
  It's not really money. You'd need 3 or 4 significant figures to even tell the difference, depending on how you calculate it. With less, the wall completely disappears in the rounding. Maybe that says something bad about the size of the rest of the budget. It's kind of disturbing that the wall cost is like loose change dropped down under a seat cushion and forgotten. To put it another way, the wall cost is just half a day of the federal budget. Most likely, we've already blown far more than that on the cost of the shutdown. Scaling things down to median American household sizes, it's like a couple getting a divorce because one person insists on spending $16.81 to $93.42 and the other person is flipping out over it.
  - davvolun 8y ago
    Absolutely, this is not really over money. I think if you look at the past few decades, Democrats have been better at being fiscally conservative, for whatever reason, but this is a battle over principles, not money.

nostrademons 8y ago

Maybe, but I think it's ironic that this shutdown is over a Republican (well, Trumpist) initiative to spend more money, while it's the Democrats who want to hold the line on spending.

tropo 8y ago
It's not really money. You'd need 3 or 4 significant figures to even tell the difference, depending on how you calculate it. With less, the wall completely disappears in the rounding. Maybe that says something bad about the size of the rest of the budget. It's kind of disturbing that the wall cost is like loose change dropped down under a seat cushion and forgotten. To put it another way, the wall cost is just half a day of the federal budget. Most likely, we've already blown far more than that on the cost of the shutdown. Scaling things down to median American household sizes, it's like a couple getting a divorce because one person insists on spending $16.81 to $93.42 and the other person is flipping out over it.
- davvolun 8y ago
  Absolutely, this is not really over money. I think if you look at the past few decades, Democrats have been better at being fiscally conservative, for whatever reason, but this is a battle over principles, not money.