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>Tesla would go through their trip logs After a negative experience several years ago with Top Gear, a popular automotive show, where they pretended that our c

>Tesla would go through their trip logs After a negative experience several years ago with Top Gear, a popular automotive show, where they pretended that our car ran out of energy and had to be pushed back to the garage, we always carefully data log media drives.

dmix 8y ago
aka not a "normal person" on a "normal drive"
dmoy 8y ago
Top Gear is a comedy show though? We're talking about the same show that featured taking a Reliant Robin needlessly fast around corners and getting pushed upright by celebrities, right?
- asdfasgasdgasdg 8y ago
  They blur the line between journalism and comedy. Their car reviews tend to give the appearance of being more of the former than the latter.
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arkh 8y ago
> we always carefully data log media drives So you can easily data log any driver. So any government agency or any "partner" paying enough could have access to this data.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 8y ago
  Sure, but those folks can also just stick a GPS tracker to your car.
  - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
    Or track your phone.
reitzensteinm 8y ago
You're logging more than just media drives, otherwise Tesla wouldn't magically have the data to put together a PR response denying culpability whenever something goes wrong with Autopilot. Tesla does not hold itself to the same standard of truthfulness it insists on from others. The Top Gear segment was benign compared to Tesla's coast to coast FSD boast, designed to extract FCF from selling a product that may or may not eventually exist. https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a19649335/tesla-says-model-x-in-deadly-crash-was-on-autopilot/ https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a19649...
- asdfasgasdgasdg 8y ago
  I am not Tesla, and I don't work for them either. That's a quote from their response. I was typing one-handed so I didn't get a chance to add the quotes. > otherwise Tesla wouldn't magically have the data to put together a PR response denying culpability whenever something goes wrong with Autopilot. NTSB -> crash scene -> find black box -> send to TSLA? Just one possible non-nefarious mechanism for this information to make its way to Tesla.
  - reitzensteinm 8y ago
    Right, that makes sense - I thought it was odd a Tesla employee would be commenting about it. Is co-opting a crash investigation performed by the government and cherry picking data from it in order to cast the blame on their deceased former customer meant to be better or worse than collecting everyone's data indiscriminately?
    - asdfasgasdgasdg 8y ago
      It is different. Different threat models, concerning to different people for different reasons. To pick a random example, if I said "Donald Trump killed a homeless guy for looking at him the wrong way," that would be inaccurate. I don't like Donald Trump, think he's a bad guy, but I still wouldn't want to make a false or likely false accusation about him. In the same way, if I don't like that Tesla is making crash data public, I'll say that. I won't say that they're tracking everyone's movements.
cameldrv 8y ago
"Our car" is the problem. It's not Tesla's car. Tesla took the customer's money and sold the car. It's theirs now. Tesla has no moral right to track a car that's not theirs and use the information for anything except to help the customer maintain their car.
- gpm 8y ago
  Uh, no. It's literally Tesla's car. We are talking about vehicles they lend to the media to review not vehicles customers buy.

dmix 8y ago

aka not a "normal person" on a "normal drive"

dmoy 8y ago

Top Gear is a comedy show though? We're talking about the same show that featured taking a Reliant Robin needlessly fast around corners and getting pushed upright by celebrities, right?

asdfasgasdgasdg 8y ago
They blur the line between journalism and comedy. Their car reviews tend to give the appearance of being more of the former than the latter.
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arkh 8y ago

> we always carefully data log media drives So you can easily data log any driver. So any government agency or any "partner" paying enough could have access to this data.

asdfasgasdgasdg 8y ago
Sure, but those folks can also just stick a GPS tracker to your car.
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
  Or track your phone.

reitzensteinm 8y ago

You're logging more than just media drives, otherwise Tesla wouldn't magically have the data to put together a PR response denying culpability whenever something goes wrong with Autopilot. Tesla does not hold itself to the same standard of truthfulness it insists on from others. The Top Gear segment was benign compared to Tesla's coast to coast FSD boast, designed to extract FCF from selling a product that may or may not eventually exist. https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a19649335/tesla-says-model-x-in-deadly-crash-was-on-autopilot/ https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a19649...

asdfasgasdgasdg 8y ago
I am not Tesla, and I don't work for them either. That's a quote from their response. I was typing one-handed so I didn't get a chance to add the quotes. > otherwise Tesla wouldn't magically have the data to put together a PR response denying culpability whenever something goes wrong with Autopilot. NTSB -> crash scene -> find black box -> send to TSLA? Just one possible non-nefarious mechanism for this information to make its way to Tesla.
- reitzensteinm 8y ago
  Right, that makes sense - I thought it was odd a Tesla employee would be commenting about it. Is co-opting a crash investigation performed by the government and cherry picking data from it in order to cast the blame on their deceased former customer meant to be better or worse than collecting everyone's data indiscriminately?
  - asdfasgasdgasdg 8y ago
    It is different. Different threat models, concerning to different people for different reasons. To pick a random example, if I said "Donald Trump killed a homeless guy for looking at him the wrong way," that would be inaccurate. I don't like Donald Trump, think he's a bad guy, but I still wouldn't want to make a false or likely false accusation about him. In the same way, if I don't like that Tesla is making crash data public, I'll say that. I won't say that they're tracking everyone's movements.

cameldrv 8y ago

"Our car" is the problem. It's not Tesla's car. Tesla took the customer's money and sold the car. It's theirs now. Tesla has no moral right to track a car that's not theirs and use the information for anything except to help the customer maintain their car.

gpm 8y ago
Uh, no. It's literally Tesla's car. We are talking about vehicles they lend to the media to review not vehicles customers buy.