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Oh they turned him to their side. I was wondering how he could give away anything while they showed him the finger(s) :D

by jotm 8y ago

onetimemanytime 8y ago
DEA /FBI offers /can offer millions to cooperating witnesses and a new identity. Or life in prison. Or death in the hands of the cartel if they find out about the chat. They kinda make it very easy to choose. Jorge Salcedo that took down Cali cartel got million$ for his cooperation.
- Apocryphon 8y ago
  The question is, how do these people avoid vengeful followers of the former cartel bosses?
  - jplayer01 8y ago
    I assume getting paid is combined with witness protection, or you'd be right, they're screwed.
  - gh02t 8y ago
    Presumably, the same way Mafia informants do - witness protection. The government spirits them away and sets them up with an entirely new identity. There have been some leaks, but generally these people just disappear and become someone else. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Federal_Witness_Protection_Program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Federal_Witness_...
  - onetimemanytime 8y ago
    You're dead anyway. Or jailed and possibly be killed there. With USA on your side you have a better chance of living a life close to normal, relatively speaking. I guess that Sinaloa will put this guy #1 or close to it (maybe the Flores twins beat them to #1) on their revenge list. 20-50 kilos of cocaine to the sicarios...a drop in the bucket since they buy for $2k a kilo or so.
  - Brockenstein 8y ago
    That is a good question. And I'm sure it's because the reality isn't much like what we perceive from TV and movies. And cartels and crime organizations are far from omnipotent. They don't have infinite resources. And if they can't get at a person easily, trivially even, maybe it's just not worth the effort a lot of the time. Especially once the damage has been done.
    - rjf72 8y ago
      It's not just TV and movies. Go Wiki browsing on organized crime some time. Here's [1] a fun starting point. These organizations go through extensive efforts, which at times has included things such as flipping decorated law enforcement officers, to 'get revenge'. I put that in quotes because I'd imagine it's not really about revenge, at least not entirely. It's the criminal analog of law enforcement. If you don't enforce your laws, there will be an increasingly large number of people that break them. And similar to a law it's not just the penalty people factor into consideration, but also the probability of getting caught. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_criminal_enterprises,_gangs_and_syndicates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_criminal_enterprises,_...
  - kodablah 8y ago
    They don't always [0] (or, a more dramatic read: [1]) 0 - http://interactives.dallasnews.com/2016/chapa/ http://interactives.dallasnews.com/2016/chapa/ 1 - https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/the-cartel-next-door/ https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/the-cartel-next-door/
- RobertoG 8y ago
  >>"Jorge Salcedo that took down Cali cartel got million$ for his cooperation." Do you have any source for that? because I read recently an interview [1] with the guy and I didn't get the impression he was so well financially. [1] - https://ew.com/tv/2017/09/03/narcos-jorge-salcedo-interview/ https://ew.com/tv/2017/09/03/narcos-jorge-salcedo-interview/
  - onetimemanytime 8y ago
    Fortunately I had the means to start a company. in your link, towards the end. "Thanks to Salcedo, the entire Cali cartel hierarchy was extradited. For his service, the relocated Colombian received rewards of about $1.7 million." https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/a-daring-betrayal-helped-wipe-out-cali-cocaine-cartel/ https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/a-daring-betrayal-... Not sure if he gets any ongoing salary...but paying makes sense for the Feds in every way. They save resources since the boss will be jailed and collect cash in fines.

Oh they turned him to their side. I was wondering how he could give away anything while they showed him the finger(s) :D

by jotm 8y ago

Oh they turned him to their side. I was wondering how he could give away anything while they showed him the finger(s) :D

onetimemanytime 8y ago

DEA /FBI offers /can offer millions to cooperating witnesses and a new identity. Or life in prison. Or death in the hands of the cartel if they find out about the chat. They kinda make it very easy to choose. Jorge Salcedo that took down Cali cartel got million$ for his cooperation.

Apocryphon 8y ago
The question is, how do these people avoid vengeful followers of the former cartel bosses?
- jplayer01 8y ago
  I assume getting paid is combined with witness protection, or you'd be right, they're screwed.
- gh02t 8y ago
  Presumably, the same way Mafia informants do - witness protection. The government spirits them away and sets them up with an entirely new identity. There have been some leaks, but generally these people just disappear and become someone else. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Federal_Witness_Protection_Program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Federal_Witness_...
- onetimemanytime 8y ago
  You're dead anyway. Or jailed and possibly be killed there. With USA on your side you have a better chance of living a life close to normal, relatively speaking. I guess that Sinaloa will put this guy #1 or close to it (maybe the Flores twins beat them to #1) on their revenge list. 20-50 kilos of cocaine to the sicarios...a drop in the bucket since they buy for $2k a kilo or so.
- Brockenstein 8y ago
  That is a good question. And I'm sure it's because the reality isn't much like what we perceive from TV and movies. And cartels and crime organizations are far from omnipotent. They don't have infinite resources. And if they can't get at a person easily, trivially even, maybe it's just not worth the effort a lot of the time. Especially once the damage has been done.
  - rjf72 8y ago
    It's not just TV and movies. Go Wiki browsing on organized crime some time. Here's [1] a fun starting point. These organizations go through extensive efforts, which at times has included things such as flipping decorated law enforcement officers, to 'get revenge'. I put that in quotes because I'd imagine it's not really about revenge, at least not entirely. It's the criminal analog of law enforcement. If you don't enforce your laws, there will be an increasingly large number of people that break them. And similar to a law it's not just the penalty people factor into consideration, but also the probability of getting caught. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_criminal_enterprises,_gangs_and_syndicates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_criminal_enterprises,_...
- kodablah 8y ago
  They don't always [0] (or, a more dramatic read: [1]) 0 - http://interactives.dallasnews.com/2016/chapa/ http://interactives.dallasnews.com/2016/chapa/ 1 - https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/the-cartel-next-door/ https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/the-cartel-next-door/
RobertoG 8y ago
>>"Jorge Salcedo that took down Cali cartel got million$ for his cooperation." Do you have any source for that? because I read recently an interview [1] with the guy and I didn't get the impression he was so well financially. [1] - https://ew.com/tv/2017/09/03/narcos-jorge-salcedo-interview/ https://ew.com/tv/2017/09/03/narcos-jorge-salcedo-interview/
- onetimemanytime 8y ago
  Fortunately I had the means to start a company. in your link, towards the end. "Thanks to Salcedo, the entire Cali cartel hierarchy was extradited. For his service, the relocated Colombian received rewards of about $1.7 million." https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/a-daring-betrayal-helped-wipe-out-cali-cocaine-cartel/ https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/a-daring-betrayal-... Not sure if he gets any ongoing salary...but paying makes sense for the Feds in every way. They save resources since the boss will be jailed and collect cash in fines.