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To get a bit pedantic you're on the path to domesticating those squirrels, most wildlife professionals wouldn't consider them wild any more. My father worked f

To get a bit pedantic you're on the path to domesticating those squirrels, most wildlife professionals wouldn't consider them wild any more. My father worked for WI DNR for many years and it always irked him that people feeding the wildlife didn't think they were doing any harm when they were making the animals co-dependent on that food source.

gerbilly 8y ago
Reposting from below. Eastern grey squirrels were deliberately introduced into city parks for the enjoyment of people.[1] Also wild animals are flexible enough in their behaviour to accommodate interactions with humans. If you observe them carefully, you can see them switch from 'normal' behaviour to the behaviour they use when interacting with people. It's kind of like when you speak two languages and can switch from one to the other in an instant. [1] The Urbanization of the Eastern Gray Squirrel in the United States Etienne Benson J Am Hist (2013) 100 (3): 691-710.
- vvanders 8y ago
  Sure, but that's not really relevant here. The parent still considers them 'wild' despite providing alternate food source which changes their behavioral patterns. Somewhat similar to photographers baiting animals for more dramatic photos: https://www.audubon.org/news/why-you-shouldnt-feed-or-bait-owls https://www.audubon.org/news/why-you-shouldnt-feed-or-bait-o... If you want to keep wildlife truly wild you should do your part to minimize the impact you have on their habitats and behaviors.
  - gerbilly 8y ago
    > The parent still considers them 'wild' despite providing alternate food source which changes their behavioral patterns. Who says this is changing their behavioural patterns? Maybe native people in north america have been randomly feeding grey squirrels for thens of thousands of years. Maybe for longer in Eurasia? In fact if it weren't in the animals behavioural repertoire to recognise the opportunity of taking food from people, then we wouldn't even be able to get them to understand.
    - megaremote 8y ago
      > Who says this is changing their behavioural patterns? Can you guarantee 100% that is isn't? No, of course not. Then just leave them alone. What is it with people feeling they can just constantly interfere with animals lives. These are not your pets, not your playthings to do as you wish.
      - 3131s 8y ago
        You must be a vegan to hold such strong opinions on this. I wonder how widely your view is shared by other vegans... I certainly see no problem with offering an animal food, though I wouldn't cage or otherwise forcibly tame an animal.
- AceyMan 8y ago
  >Eastern grey squirrels were deliberately introduced into city parks for the enjoyment of people.[1] Did not know — thanks for this. Also, this has to be the dumbest move in the history of urban planning (considering squirrels track record as an invasive species). It'd appear someone didn't think this through 100%. Where is the zoologist on the city board when you need one, right?
mcqueenjordan 8y ago
> To get a bit pedantic you're on the path to domesticating those squirrels... To be even more pedantic: No, they're not. > Domestication should not be confused with taming. Taming is the conditioned behavioral modification of an animal to reduce its natural avoidance of humans, and to accept the presence of humans. Domestication is the permanent genetic modification of a bred lineage that leads to an inherited predisposition towards humans.
- TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
  It shouldn't be difficult to imagine how taming could lead to domestication. That said, I personally don't believe there to be anything wrong with having a fully domesticated line of squirrels and other animals. My personal favourite would be a domesticated line of Tasmanian Devils. I'll even go as far as to say that if habitat loss continues unabated then domestication of more and more species may become necessary.
  - fian 8y ago
    Domesticated echidnas would be great. They could help keep ant populations in check. I had a 3 month battle trying to keep meat (protein eating) ants out of my house last year. I eventually caved and had a professional pest controller spray a barrier around the perimeter of my house. 6 months later and the first signs of ant repopulation are starting to appear. I dislike having to use strong poisons as they are indiscriminate and we need to have healthy insect populations as part of the ecology (plant pollination, breakdown of dead organic matter etc). One or two echidnas might have been able to deal with my ant problem in a few days. Maybe an echidna hire service (Uber for echnidnas?) could work. Plus they are just plain cool animals to see walking around.
    - njarboe 8y ago
      The variety of life on Earth is so cool. Echidnas and the platypus are the only egg-laying mammals, known as monotremes. The average lifespan of an echidna in the wild is estimated around 14–16 years. When fully grown, a female can weigh up to 4.5 kilograms (9.9 lb) and a male can weigh up to 6 kilograms (13 lb).[8] The echidnas' sex can be inferred from their size, as males are 25% larger than females on average. The reproductive organs also differ, but both sexes have a single opening called a cloaca, which they use to urinate, release their faeces and to mate.[1] [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echidna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echidna

gerbilly 8y ago

Reposting from below. Eastern grey squirrels were deliberately introduced into city parks for the enjoyment of people.[1] Also wild animals are flexible enough in their behaviour to accommodate interactions with humans. If you observe them carefully, you can see them switch from 'normal' behaviour to the behaviour they use when interacting with people. It's kind of like when you speak two languages and can switch from one to the other in an instant. [1] The Urbanization of the Eastern Gray Squirrel in the United States Etienne Benson J Am Hist (2013) 100 (3): 691-710.

vvanders 8y ago
Sure, but that's not really relevant here. The parent still considers them 'wild' despite providing alternate food source which changes their behavioral patterns. Somewhat similar to photographers baiting animals for more dramatic photos: https://www.audubon.org/news/why-you-shouldnt-feed-or-bait-owls https://www.audubon.org/news/why-you-shouldnt-feed-or-bait-o... If you want to keep wildlife truly wild you should do your part to minimize the impact you have on their habitats and behaviors.
- gerbilly 8y ago
  > The parent still considers them 'wild' despite providing alternate food source which changes their behavioral patterns. Who says this is changing their behavioural patterns? Maybe native people in north america have been randomly feeding grey squirrels for thens of thousands of years. Maybe for longer in Eurasia? In fact if it weren't in the animals behavioural repertoire to recognise the opportunity of taking food from people, then we wouldn't even be able to get them to understand.
  - megaremote 8y ago
    > Who says this is changing their behavioural patterns? Can you guarantee 100% that is isn't? No, of course not. Then just leave them alone. What is it with people feeling they can just constantly interfere with animals lives. These are not your pets, not your playthings to do as you wish.
    - 3131s 8y ago
      You must be a vegan to hold such strong opinions on this. I wonder how widely your view is shared by other vegans... I certainly see no problem with offering an animal food, though I wouldn't cage or otherwise forcibly tame an animal.
AceyMan 8y ago
>Eastern grey squirrels were deliberately introduced into city parks for the enjoyment of people.[1] Did not know — thanks for this. Also, this has to be the dumbest move in the history of urban planning (considering squirrels track record as an invasive species). It'd appear someone didn't think this through 100%. Where is the zoologist on the city board when you need one, right?

mcqueenjordan 8y ago

> To get a bit pedantic you're on the path to domesticating those squirrels... To be even more pedantic: No, they're not. > Domestication should not be confused with taming. Taming is the conditioned behavioral modification of an animal to reduce its natural avoidance of humans, and to accept the presence of humans. Domestication is the permanent genetic modification of a bred lineage that leads to an inherited predisposition towards humans.

TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
It shouldn't be difficult to imagine how taming could lead to domestication. That said, I personally don't believe there to be anything wrong with having a fully domesticated line of squirrels and other animals. My personal favourite would be a domesticated line of Tasmanian Devils. I'll even go as far as to say that if habitat loss continues unabated then domestication of more and more species may become necessary.
- fian 8y ago
  Domesticated echidnas would be great. They could help keep ant populations in check. I had a 3 month battle trying to keep meat (protein eating) ants out of my house last year. I eventually caved and had a professional pest controller spray a barrier around the perimeter of my house. 6 months later and the first signs of ant repopulation are starting to appear. I dislike having to use strong poisons as they are indiscriminate and we need to have healthy insect populations as part of the ecology (plant pollination, breakdown of dead organic matter etc). One or two echidnas might have been able to deal with my ant problem in a few days. Maybe an echidna hire service (Uber for echnidnas?) could work. Plus they are just plain cool animals to see walking around.
  - njarboe 8y ago
    The variety of life on Earth is so cool. Echidnas and the platypus are the only egg-laying mammals, known as monotremes. The average lifespan of an echidna in the wild is estimated around 14–16 years. When fully grown, a female can weigh up to 4.5 kilograms (9.9 lb) and a male can weigh up to 6 kilograms (13 lb).[8] The echidnas' sex can be inferred from their size, as males are 25% larger than females on average. The reproductive organs also differ, but both sexes have a single opening called a cloaca, which they use to urinate, release their faeces and to mate.[1] [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echidna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echidna