> They seem to love the game, but have absolutely zero interest in rules crunch. I ran a campaign for my brothers when they were more or less at the same age.

> They seem to love the game, but have absolutely zero interest in rules crunch. I ran a campaign for my brothers when they were more or less at the same age. They picked up interest in bionichles and kid being kid their way to play them was screaming "I hit you" in a growing brawl at each other until mom intervened. of course I did not use dnd or any other crunch system, just contested rolls on every action and some rules based on range, and I did it so it could be used both for storytelling and wargaming, and they had a blast. it's a GREAT way to start channeling their ruffle play into something more structured, rules be damned. just pick whatever some group of kid likes, throw some game rules and they'll figure out a way to make it work. it took less than six month for my brother to start playing at school with the rule given and then grew up into dnd.