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Yes, it is that simple; the GDPR can claim whatever it wants, that doesn't make it true. The EU has no jurisdiction over me in the US period. And referencing th
by zorga 8y ago
Yes, it is that simple; the GDPR can claim whatever it wants, that doesn't make it true. The EU has no jurisdiction over me in the US period. And referencing the GDPR as a source isn't valid, just because it's written doesn't make it enforceable. China doesn't get to tell me what to do, nor does the EU.
- tomhoward 8y agoI mean it's not that simple if you wanted to travel in the EU or actively engage in business there if you were ever found to be in breach and penalised. I don't like it any more than you do. But the fact remains that it's not that simple.
- zorga 8y agoI could give a shit about travelling to the EU, the vast majority of Americans never leave the US, that's not going to change.
- JAlexoid 8y agoIf you are a business owner in US, you will probably go to EU at some point in time. If you have a small website, you're not even a target. Unless you're selling personal data.
- zorga 8y ago> If you are a business owner in US, you will probably go to EU at some point in time. Not remotely true; the vast majority of US citizens never leave the US.
- M2Ys4U 8y ago1. You violate the GDPR 2. One of the Supervisory Authorities fines you 3. The SA applies to a court in the EU for an order compelling payment of the fine 4. The SA applies to a US court for enforcement of the EU judgment 5. You have to pay up
- ionised 8y ago6. Don't even think about travelling to the EU if you've ignored the fines.
- Karunamon 8y agoWhat is the mechanism by which step 4 is accomplished, and why would this work for the EU and not one of the other myriad of legal systems with mutually exclusive laws?
- zorga 8y agoThere isn't one; that's the point these GDPR supporters aren't comprehending, national sovereignty is a thing, the world cannot function if every country can impose its laws on every citizen in the world.
- JAlexoid 8y agoUS seems to enforce laws in an interesting ways.
- dragonwriter 8y ago“National sovereignty” is exactly the idea that every state has only the constraints imposed either by it's physical power and behavioral constraints it voluntarily (and revocable) imposes on itself. > the world cannot function if every country can impose its laws on every citizen in the world. You seem to want to abandon the idea of national sovereignty for a global sovereign with geographically-bounded subordinate jurisdictions that may have broad discretion but which face mandatory constraints designed to optimize what you see as the desirable function of the world system. Which is a perfectly legitimate view, but you shouldn't confuse it with the idea of national sovereignty, to which it radically opposed.