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I don't know what this means and want more details.

ouid 8y ago
I believe it was a tongue in cheek response which served to point out how horrible society would be if the parent comments wish were to come true.
- matte_black 8y ago
  Every time I bring this idea up people say it will be the most horrible of societies, but they can never seem to effectively explain why.
  - PhilWright 8y ago
    Because you are disadvantaging people for a behaviour they might never exhibit. There is a reason we do not punish people for crimes they have not yet committed. You should judge people on their actual actions and not on your prediction of their actions.
    - matte_black 8y ago
      Not being selected isn’t a punishment. We are not entitled to having everyone find us attractive. We are not even entitled to having a mate. There really may not be someone for everyone. If you have very unattractive qualities and because of that people are not selecting you, they are not punishing you. If someone doesn’t want to be with you because you admit you’ve cheated in the past but don’t plan to anymore, that is fair. If you carry genes that make you more likely to seek out other partners and they don’t want that, that is also fair.
      - ubercow13 8y ago
        But you can't override your genetic disposition for being physically unattractive with your human willpower and become attractive.
        behringer 8y ago
        Yes you can. Have you never heard of someone having an attractive personality? People also have different tastes and different ideas of what is attractive. You can also become more attractive as you age. You can also have plastic surgery. Your genes that set physical attractiveness have little to do with just how attractive you actually are, who else may or may not find you attractive, and your chances for successfully passing on your genes. Eg, your genes aren't the entire story, maybe not even most of the story.
  - tomhoward 8y ago
    In the case of the linked article, we're not talking about the presence of genes, but rather their expression. Genetic expression is influenced by many things, some that we understand and some that we don't (yet), but it is highly plausible that this can be (and already is) influenced and optimised throughout people's lives. People's negative reaction to your proposal is obviously because people think it's dystopian to think that the genetic hand you're dealt at birth is highly restrictive and deterministic in terms of your potential life outcomes. Policies like the one you describe would lead to a horrible society, because anybody who comes to believe that they are doomed to a miserable, futile life will not contribute positively to society and may well contribute very negatively. I suspect much of what we're seeing playing out around the world right now is at least partly a result of this phenomenon. If it turns out that people's genetic expression is far more important than their genetic blueprint, and that their genetic expression can be influenced and optimised to lead to improved life outcomes, then people will be motivated to contribute positively to society and society will be vastly improved.
    - stareatgoats 8y ago
      Yes, "facts" are in fact seldom facts as much as beliefs. Belief may indeed be the most factual thing we have. One derived lesson being; believe in yourself, view any evidence to the contrary with extreme skepticism.

ouid 8y ago

I believe it was a tongue in cheek response which served to point out how horrible society would be if the parent comments wish were to come true.

matte_black 8y ago
Every time I bring this idea up people say it will be the most horrible of societies, but they can never seem to effectively explain why.
- PhilWright 8y ago
  Because you are disadvantaging people for a behaviour they might never exhibit. There is a reason we do not punish people for crimes they have not yet committed. You should judge people on their actual actions and not on your prediction of their actions.
  - matte_black 8y ago
    Not being selected isn’t a punishment. We are not entitled to having everyone find us attractive. We are not even entitled to having a mate. There really may not be someone for everyone. If you have very unattractive qualities and because of that people are not selecting you, they are not punishing you. If someone doesn’t want to be with you because you admit you’ve cheated in the past but don’t plan to anymore, that is fair. If you carry genes that make you more likely to seek out other partners and they don’t want that, that is also fair.
    - ubercow13 8y ago
      But you can't override your genetic disposition for being physically unattractive with your human willpower and become attractive.
      - behringer 8y ago
        Yes you can. Have you never heard of someone having an attractive personality? People also have different tastes and different ideas of what is attractive. You can also become more attractive as you age. You can also have plastic surgery. Your genes that set physical attractiveness have little to do with just how attractive you actually are, who else may or may not find you attractive, and your chances for successfully passing on your genes. Eg, your genes aren't the entire story, maybe not even most of the story.
- tomhoward 8y ago
  In the case of the linked article, we're not talking about the presence of genes, but rather their expression. Genetic expression is influenced by many things, some that we understand and some that we don't (yet), but it is highly plausible that this can be (and already is) influenced and optimised throughout people's lives. People's negative reaction to your proposal is obviously because people think it's dystopian to think that the genetic hand you're dealt at birth is highly restrictive and deterministic in terms of your potential life outcomes. Policies like the one you describe would lead to a horrible society, because anybody who comes to believe that they are doomed to a miserable, futile life will not contribute positively to society and may well contribute very negatively. I suspect much of what we're seeing playing out around the world right now is at least partly a result of this phenomenon. If it turns out that people's genetic expression is far more important than their genetic blueprint, and that their genetic expression can be influenced and optimised to lead to improved life outcomes, then people will be motivated to contribute positively to society and society will be vastly improved.
  - stareatgoats 8y ago
    Yes, "facts" are in fact seldom facts as much as beliefs. Belief may indeed be the most factual thing we have. One derived lesson being; believe in yourself, view any evidence to the contrary with extreme skepticism.