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Anecdotal datapoint. My wife is Chinese and, due to things like being president of the parent/teacher association at our kid's school, she's involved in quite a

Anecdotal datapoint. My wife is Chinese and, due to things like being president of the parent/teacher association at our kid's school, she's involved in quite a few large wechat groups in China. They were outraged about this Huawei CFO arrest. Many of them swore off Apple phones and said they were only going to buy Huawei from now on. Over my last 10 years in China, I've never seen it like this. I expect Apple's growth in China has peaked.

saagarjha 8y ago
> They were outraged about this Huawei CFO arrest. Many of them swore off Apple phones and said they were only going to buy Huawei from now on. As a show of solidarity with Huawei, or because they felt that Apple had something to do with it?
- tanilama 8y ago
  It is simply because of Huawei costs: 900 dollars, while Apple costs 1.5k dollars.
  - saagarjha 8y ago
    > Apple costs 1.5k dollars If you buy the XS Max with 512 GB of storage, unlocked (which happens to be $1,449.00, by the way). iPhone XS starts at $999.
    - tanilama 8y ago
      See for yourself: Apple: https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a220m.1000858.1000725.15.658d79f6GNbjHI&id=577249277344&skuId=3809540388092&user_id=1917047079&cat_id=2&is_b=1&rn=73fb22d74d726b99e5b0cf1d7442e6bf https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a220m.1000858.1000725.... Huawei: https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a220m.1000858.1000725.8.817d12e4wDaMcc&id=579767086802&skuId=4028489991460&user_id=268451883&cat_id=2&is_b=1&rn=9d89e6b3becbf8f364fe39346507e9a9 https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a220m.1000858.1000725....
      - saagarjha 8y ago
        First of all, you're quoting prices in China, which means that iPhone has significant taxes tacked on to it. Second, iPhone seems to be $1269, while the Huawei phone is $977.
        tanilama 8y ago
        iPhone is 256GB version vs Huawei's 128GB version. Huawei P20 comes with only one storage tier which is 128GB. So I chooses the middle tier to represent iPhone.
    - CathayRe 8y ago
      You forgot those Apple listed prices are US only and never included any Sales Tax. In reality everywhere on the planet are paying $100 to $200 more on top of those prices. In the case of China has both Import, and Sales Tax. ( It works more like VAT though ), it adds up to around $300 on top of $999, closer to $1299. Edit: Yes in case Apple is ridiculously expensive in many part of the world.
      - saagarjha 8y ago
        > You forgot those Apple listed prices are US only I was given prices in dollars, so I assumed that the poster was talking about the US.
      - pier25 8y ago
        Apple products are about 20% more expensive here in Mexico.
- CathayRe 8y ago
  Apple is American. They think American / the West is trying to humiliate China again. So they say they will stop buying Apple ( for now ). Relation to Apple being Huawei is a phone company ( Well to most consumer they are, when in fact they are more like a Telecom Infrastructure Giant ).
CathayRe 8y ago
I am surprised you haven't seen anything like it. It happened against Korea, Japan, and Taiwan although the magnitude of scale wasn't anywhere as large as Huawei. And it is not like this is the first time Apple has been under attack anyway. If you are carrying out Business in China with any sort of Government involvement ( which is pretty much 90%+ ) you need to use a phone from Chinese brand to prove your loyalty.

saagarjha 8y ago

> They were outraged about this Huawei CFO arrest. Many of them swore off Apple phones and said they were only going to buy Huawei from now on. As a show of solidarity with Huawei, or because they felt that Apple had something to do with it?

tanilama 8y ago
It is simply because of Huawei costs: 900 dollars, while Apple costs 1.5k dollars.
- saagarjha 8y ago
  > Apple costs 1.5k dollars If you buy the XS Max with 512 GB of storage, unlocked (which happens to be $1,449.00, by the way). iPhone XS starts at $999.
  - tanilama 8y ago
    See for yourself: Apple: https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a220m.1000858.1000725.15.658d79f6GNbjHI&id=577249277344&skuId=3809540388092&user_id=1917047079&cat_id=2&is_b=1&rn=73fb22d74d726b99e5b0cf1d7442e6bf https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a220m.1000858.1000725.... Huawei: https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a220m.1000858.1000725.8.817d12e4wDaMcc&id=579767086802&skuId=4028489991460&user_id=268451883&cat_id=2&is_b=1&rn=9d89e6b3becbf8f364fe39346507e9a9 https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a220m.1000858.1000725....
    - saagarjha 8y ago
      First of all, you're quoting prices in China, which means that iPhone has significant taxes tacked on to it. Second, iPhone seems to be $1269, while the Huawei phone is $977.
      - tanilama 8y ago
        iPhone is 256GB version vs Huawei's 128GB version. Huawei P20 comes with only one storage tier which is 128GB. So I chooses the middle tier to represent iPhone.
  - CathayRe 8y ago
    You forgot those Apple listed prices are US only and never included any Sales Tax. In reality everywhere on the planet are paying $100 to $200 more on top of those prices. In the case of China has both Import, and Sales Tax. ( It works more like VAT though ), it adds up to around $300 on top of $999, closer to $1299. Edit: Yes in case Apple is ridiculously expensive in many part of the world.
    - saagarjha 8y ago
      > You forgot those Apple listed prices are US only I was given prices in dollars, so I assumed that the poster was talking about the US.
    - pier25 8y ago
      Apple products are about 20% more expensive here in Mexico.
CathayRe 8y ago
Apple is American. They think American / the West is trying to humiliate China again. So they say they will stop buying Apple ( for now ). Relation to Apple being Huawei is a phone company ( Well to most consumer they are, when in fact they are more like a Telecom Infrastructure Giant ).

CathayRe 8y ago

I am surprised you haven't seen anything like it. It happened against Korea, Japan, and Taiwan although the magnitude of scale wasn't anywhere as large as Huawei. And it is not like this is the first time Apple has been under attack anyway. If you are carrying out Business in China with any sort of Government involvement ( which is pretty much 90%+ ) you need to use a phone from Chinese brand to prove your loyalty.